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| I belive this would be the right forum for this, just kind of a shout out to all interested. not much content yet, so feel free th check out www.jesusradicals.org as well. I encourage discusson in christian anarchism, anarcho-sydicalism, whatever. This group is NOT specifically pacifist, vegan, or str8edge (God knows i'm none of those!) So all are welcome. http://groups.yahoo.com/groups/anarchrist In Solidarity BlackStar (caliskunk1)
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In conclusion...religious reform is a good idea. Blending it with anarchy is not. Organized religion is the polar opposite of anarchy, and mixing the two is as illogical as mixing aetheism and creationism. In fact, I don't think these things are idols at all; rather they simply corrupt people. Just like religion.
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| I'm no supporter of organized religion. the organized part is unneeded. The original christian churches were de-centralized and diverse. This ended (as far i know, i may be wrong) when the sect known as Catholic teamed up with the roman government, ad went about systemacally persecuting and arresting members of other sects, and destroying almost all of their texts and documents. the only one i know that survived are the texts of the Gnostic sect, which were hidden away in a cave by some smart members. Refering to false idols, The state is obvious. Jesus Himself said something along the lines of "Kings and govenors walk amoung you, do not let them" as well as other similar quotes, of with i'll show in another post after i look them up. Money is the same. In UK poll i remember (in the Guardian, methinks) it says 60% of britons put the aquisition of wealth over their faith. In this consumer culture, peole are judged by what they own first and formost. in an emergency, would you rather your kid seeked help from a well-dressed tobacco exec or a punk anarchist squatter? I don't think it's lording over others, either. We force no one to believe or conform to what we say. if you don't like it, u don't gotta follow it. i do agree it seems kinda elitest. i would not have that statement there, but i don't run the site. |
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| These are all very good Deconstructing Romans 13: Verse 1-2 http://www.jesusradicals.com/main/essays/Romans13.htm Anarchism is the only political option for Christians by Andrew Baker http://www.jesusradicals.com/main/essays/anarchism.html Why is the Cry for a Ruler Rejection of God? Commentary on 1 Samuel 8 by Andrew Baker Scripture- http://www.biblegateway.com/cgi-bin/...+8&version=NIV Essay- http://www.jesusradicals.com/main/essays/rejection.html Biblical Anarchism by Stephen W. Carson http://www.jesusradicals.com/main/essays/biblical.html |
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| Anarchism will never work, will never be supported by the people and is turning into more of a fad than a political ideology.
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| The history of the 20th century is stained with the blood of the failure of all of the far-left ideologies. Anarchism, socialism, communism - you name it, it failed, and it failed spectacularly. Any variation on any of them will continue to fail, for one reason: they are all completely, and utterly, systemically flawed. I am an ex-Marxist, and I admit that freely. I am a conservative now, and I think that gives me a better perspective on what works politically and what doesn't. Anarchism doesn't work. It never has (this is a fact - even the very earliest societies always had some kind of organised social structure and authority - i.e., a state), it doesn't (there are no anarchist societies outside of small, often very poor, communes which rely on outside aid), and it never will (for the same reasons it hasn't and doesn't). Read "The Road to Serfdom" by F.A. Hayek. And consider for a moment that the far-left, and anarchism included, has failed spectacularly. It is an unworkable ideology, in theory and in practicality. The only way that the entirity of society can have a chance of peace, prosperity and freedom is through capitalism, the free-market, representative democracy and a just, well-enforced rule of law. - Breed. EDIT: Quote:
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| Name an instance where a communist government was allowed to freely rule the people without Western economic and militant pressure. Socialism has failed? Socialism is far-left? What a joke. Socialism is moderate leftist and socialism has not failed, as Canada is surviving. And why do you not mention the far right? None have caused more suffering and destruction than the right. |
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| For a start, Mr M., you're confusing me. Socialism is not a single ideology. It is a group of ideologies that includes communism, anarchism, at the most extreme, and Fabianism and social democracy closer towards the centre. However, I will make the case that socialism has failed entirely. Quote:
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As for Social Democracy and its variants, I urge you to point out a single country where social democracy is practiced - i.e., an advanced welfare state (Canada does not have an advanced welfare states in the social democratic sense - in fact, several European countries are worse), including socialised medicine free at the point of delivery, with an economy which suffers/benefits (your POV) from high government intervention, AND WHICH IS ACTUALLY SUCCESSFUL. The only countries which have anything like social democracy - i.e., Scandinavian countries, and perhaps Germany - suffer from enormous debt, stagnant and/or shrinking economies, high inflation and interest rates, and very often, accompanying it, high crime rates. Countries which pursue a capitalist, free-market agenda are much more successful, as are the parties who support these ideas. Canada can hardly be called social democratic. It only appears so in comparison with the much-more-capitalist US. Furthermore, I'd hardly call its immense problem holding on to its own professional class (who prefer the lower taxes in the US) a stunning advertisement for its position on the capitalist/socialist scale. Quote:
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| Whoa people. Not all forms of anarchy are socialist/communistic. Capito-anarchism/anarcho-capitalism and individual anarchism are two forms of Libertarian anarchism. Both right and left ideologies have f'ed up the world. The leftists want to take your hard earned paycheck to pay for their government welfare system while the rightists (conservatives) want your paycheck to pay for their fascist government policies (like the drugwar, censorship, statefunded relgion, war.) Its time we shed both of these antiquated ideaologies. Society doesn't own you. You own yourself!!! Keep your government off my paycheck, pot, pistol and penis. I'll do what I like. ![]() (some Libertarian macho-flash for you) ![]() |
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