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troublemaker_42

And a young, cocky, and inexperinced liberal is just what the Dr. ordered as a solution?

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Andrew87

I could make plenty of smartass comments regarding Barack H. 'arrogance in a suit' Obama, but I don't - because it's nothing short of childish, and I consider it petty. But obviously it isn't below sterbo's standards.

A few playful, half-hearted jokes would be understandable, but IMO you've gone to the point of attempting to belittle your opposition while concurrently ignoring virtually ALL of your own candidate's flaws (and there are many) - that's what the 'groan' was for.

Plainsman1963

I'm willing to break away from the old white republican mold for a cycle or two. The last time the world didn't end. Though I don't agree with your characterization.

Then again I couldn't imagine in 2000 that 8 years later we would be where our current leadership has helped bring us, so who knows?

I'm willing to roll the dice.

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troublemaker_42

Just because one old white guy led us astray doesn't mean every one to follow is going to do the same. I hate the fact the Obama is going to be getting votes just becausxe of GWB's epic failure as president.

Just once, I'd like to actually have REAL options in who I vote for. I've yet to feel as if I had real options every 4th November. Just once, I'd like to have the ballot in front of me, and be able to say "Wow, all of these choices are GREAT!!!! I think they would ALL be great leaders, and I just need to pick who I feel will be the BEST" Instead, I've been stuck trying to figure out who is less likely to completely screw up our country, and quite frankly, my confidence as a voter is rapidly going down the shitter. I won't pretend to think McCain is the savior our country needs.....but I find him a much safer choice than the alternative at this point. Just ONCE, I want to be torn between which candidate would be the better choice, and not just the least likely to fuck things up worse. Here's the future, and hoping I eventually get that choice.

1tokeovertheline

But you did.
It's called mudslinging in politics
Now THAT'S petty....
Again, it's called politics.
Mine was because it seems you have a case of the ass for Sterbo and are trying to get him to flame you by making remarks about his standards. I am surprised the powers that be haven't put a stop to this by now.
I don't know you or how old you are but there aren't any "standards" in politics.

Have a good day.
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Andrew87

The point was to show sterbo that just as many wiseass remarks can be made about Obama and that although numerous, are completely unnecessary. Apparently that went over your head.

So you think it's acceptable, then?

I'm well aware it's going to happen anyways, but that doesn't mean I need to agree with it - let alone embrace it. What happened to being objective?

Actually, I think sterbo is probably smarter than to allow someone on the internet get the best of him.

I'm sure he would appreciate your insult toward his intelligence though - I can't speak for sterbo, but if someone claimed that I was dumb enough to be manipulated into flaming someone, I'd be offended.

Look, I realize the majority of you Obama supporters on this site seem to believe he's anything other than a typical world-class bullshitter and can do absolutely no wrong, but others of us won't settle for some feel-good fraction of the truth. Until you can acknowledge that Obama is as full of it as any politician (arguably moreso), I choose not to engage in neither debate nor discussion with you. I wish you luck on your quest toward enlightenment.

Feorge Gorman

C'mon you guys...let's not let this develop into an all-out flame war.

The topic is also starting to stray a bit...let's remember the thread title:

'Where's McCain?'

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dedbr

Politics and religion....the two things I always heard to keep out of polite conversation. I have learned the reason for this thought. Some people are deeply involved in one or the other and believe they are right. It's hard to debate with someone over either just because the feelings are so strong.......

I, for one, am glad to see Kelly back..... Is it me Kelly, or has the I.Q. of the membership went up over the years? I mean that in all seriousness. We have some really bright folks on here now.........

1toke.....

Ya know what? I.....uh........hmmmm. Nope, I'm not gonna say it.

I am going to say that since I've been here I've had a lot of discussions about politics. It can get pretty heated pretty quick just because of what I said about strong beliefs.

I agree with TM and his post on feelings when you vote. I have always felt I was choosing the lesser of two evils. I also wish that just once I could say I am having a hard time choosing not because of the evils that men can do but because of the good they can do. I wish I could vote and not worry how bad the guy I vote for is going to fuck up as opposed to the guy I don't vote for.

With the two candidates seemingly chosen, we can now begin the debate about which of the two will do the least harm. Maybe I can find that nugget by listening to all of you that will help me choose someone that is going to do some good for all of us........

It would help if one of them was a decent public speaker. They both remind me of wind-up puppets........


Some Where In Ded Land............

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this a hilarious thread---but hey?

[Mod note: Please try to post something that actually adds to the discussion. This is technically, Turboposting. - sec]

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sterbo

I suppose if he wins the election, we the taxpayers, can always fund an Anger Management Class for our new President -
Hey, anything to keep that infamous hair trigger in check...




McCain is currently in Colombia.



John McCain says he never acted inappropriately toward a one time associate of Nicaraguan President Daniel Ortega, contradicting a recent claim made by one of the Arizona senator's Republican colleagues.
Mississippi Sen. Thad Cochran told his hometown newspaper earlier this week that during a 1987 trip to Central America, he personally witnessed McCain grab an Ortega associate by his shirt collar to lift him out of a chair.
"McCain was down at the end of the table and we were talking to the head of the guerrilla group here at this end of the table and I don't know what attracted my attention," Cochran told The Sun Herald of Biloxi, Mississippi. "But I saw some kind of quick movement at the bottom of the table and I looked down there and John had reached over and grabbed this guy by the shirt collar and had snatched him up like he was throwing him up out of the chair to tell him what he thought about him or whatever."
"I don't know what he was telling him, but I thought, 'Good grief, everybody around here has got guns and we were there on a diplomatic mission.' I don't know what had happened to provoke John, but he obviously got mad at the guy," Cochran added.
Speaking to reporters in Colombia Wednesday, the presumptive Republican presidential nominee flatly denied the report, calling it "simply not true."
"I had many, many meetings with the Sandinistas," McCain said. "I must say, I did not admire the Sandinistas much. But there was never anything of that nature. It just didn't happen."
McCain has long faced criticism for his at-times hot temper, and he has especially clashed with Cochran over a variety of spending projects. The Mississippi Republican endorsed Mitt Romney's presidential bid last year and told the Boston Globe that "The thought of [McCain] being president sends a cold chill down my spine."
"He is erratic. He is hotheaded. He loses his temper and he worries me," Cochran told the paper in January.


CNN - July 2, 2008

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