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DankDealer · 09-08-2007, 04:16 PM

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guerilla · 09-08-2007, 04:45 PM

he won the last debate on fox news AGAIN, won the mass. straw poll, 3rd in texas straw poll, he FUCKING OWNEDDDDDDD all the other candidates in the last debate, he manhandled them

viva la revolution

Trocisp · 09-08-2007, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by guerilla

he won the last debate on fox news AGAIN, won the mass. straw poll, 3rd in texas straw poll, he FUCKING OWNEDDDDDDD all the other candidates in the last debate, he manhandled them

viva la revolution

Straw Poles are relatively inconsequential in the long run the overall, while I don't think that it means nothing, I wouldn't get my hopes up.

DankDealer · 09-08-2007, 06:38 PM

More and more people are opening up to Ron Paul because he speaks the TRUTH, if he had the money that Hillary or Obama has he would be the FAVORITE to win the election. But this is not the case so instead of that we have national news organizations trying to sweep him under the rug like he doesnt exist.

I was watching a debate recently where Paul was answering a question and you could hear guiliani actually LAUGHING at his answer! That classless low life prick! When Ron won the Fox news debate they tried to shrug it off as ron's supporters texting in over and over again to vote for him when we all know that you can only vote once! The sad part is people see him and say "oh dont waiste your vote hes gonna lose" well not if we all VOTE for him he wont!

**Darque Pervert** · 09-08-2007, 08:52 PM

The 51% of the vote is a myth.
He needs the majority of electoral votes, specifically 269.

This sums it up on Wikipedia's entry on the Electoral College:

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It is also theoretically possible to win the election by winning all of eleven states and disregarding the rest of the country. If one ticket were to take California (55 votes), Texas (34), New York (31), Florida (27) Illinois (21), Pennsylvania (21), Ohio (20), Michigan (17), Georgia (15), New Jersey (15), and North Carolina (15), that ticket would have 271 votes, which would be enough to win. (In theory, if a minimum number of voters were to vote in those eleven states, the other major ticket could have a landslide victory in the popular vote and still lose the election.) But such exercises are just that - exercises. There is no election in American history in which such an event has occurred or come close to occurring. In the close elections of 2000 and 2004, these eleven states gave 111 votes to Republican candidate George W. Bush and 160 votes to Democratic candidates Al Gore and John Kerry.

I'm all for Ron Paul. I have voted for him in previous presidential elections when he ran as a Libertarian, as I believe in his platform of smaller, unobtrusive federal government.
However, if you're going to talk about what he needs to win the election, he needs a lot more than what you outlined.

Frankly, I don't think he has a snowball's chance in hell. He goes against the grain of the traditional Republican Party views.
Sadly, I think that's tragic, but it's all the nature of United States politics.

IBlazedHeavily · 09-08-2007, 09:07 PM

man i hate that electoral votes shit..pisses me off and is not fair..it should be strictly by count!

DankDealer · 09-08-2007, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Darque Pervert

He goes against the grain of the traditional Republican Party views.

He IS a traditional republican...none if this neoconservative bullshit

***Plainsman1963*** · 09-08-2007, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by DankDealer

He IS a traditional republican...none if this neoconservative bullshit

Exactly. The republicans that took over the party aren't the traditional republicans. Ron Paul is the perfect example of what a traditional Republican is.

Also about the electoral votes. Depending on how your state does it, your vote does influence who gets the electoral votes. By law in my state, the electoral vote is directly tied to the popular vote.

**Darque Pervert** · 09-08-2007, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by DankDealer

He IS a traditional republican...none if this neoconservative bullshit

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Originally Posted by Plainsman1963

Exactly. The republicans that took over the party aren't the traditional republicans. Ron Paul is the perfect example of what a traditional Republican is.

You both are 100% correct. Bad choice of words on my part.

Let me rephrase:

Frankly, I don't think he has a snowball's chance in hell. He goes against the grain of the views of the rest of the Republican Party.
Sadly, I think that's tragic, but it's all the nature of United States politics.

guerilla · 09-08-2007, 11:42 PM

the USA = Nazi Germany end sentence.

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guerilla Jr. Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 280 Grams: 1,752.37 Groans: 0 Groaned at 2 Times in 2 Posts Thanks: 0 Thanked 12 Times in 10 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	he won the last debate on fox news AGAIN, won the mass. straw poll, 3rd in texas straw poll, he FUCKING OWNEDDDDDDD all the other candidates in the last debate, he manhandled them viva la revolution

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DankDealer New Age Krunk Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 643 Grams: 2,210.45 Groans: 1 Groaned at 2 Times in 1 Post Thanks: 140 Thanked 119 Times in 85 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	More and more people are opening up to Ron Paul because he speaks the TRUTH, if he had the money that Hillary or Obama has he would be the FAVORITE to win the election. But this is not the case so instead of that we have national news organizations trying to sweep him under the rug like he doesnt exist. I was watching a debate recently where Paul was answering a question and you could hear guiliani actually LAUGHING at his answer! That classless low life prick! When Ron won the Fox news debate they tried to shrug it off as ron's supporters texting in over and over again to vote for him when we all know that you can only vote once! The sad part is people see him and say "oh dont waiste your vote hes gonna lose" well not if we all VOTE for him he wont!

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