rick

This poll references the "Iowa Guardsmen Home from Iraq Face Drug Discipline ", article posted by Zombie.

These men/women are heros in my mind, yet they will be persecuted as if they were common criminals after serving their country and offering their lives in Americas first invasion.

Any military people out there care to comment on this? Im very curious as how someone who has actually served in combat feels about this issue.

rick

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JTP

I voted no. There are several options outside of a dishonorable discharge than can be taken that are not as extreme. It does, however, hing upon the individual circumstances of each soldier. If they ARE dirt-ball scum sucking hippies who were looking for an easy out , give them the boot. If they are just soldiers caught by bad timing or poor foresight, well a little non-judicial punishment would be just fine with me.

mikez

JTP,

From your post I wasn't sure you understood this particular situation. The tests were taken before those guys went to Iraq. The timeline was (1) took test, (2) shipped overseas, (3) results of test come back positive for drugs, (4) months of service in combat situations (getting shot at), (5) return to USA, and finally (6) dishonorable discharge for the postive tests.

If the discharge was the right option, those guys should have been sent back before going into battle situations.

mikez

p.s. Not all hippies suck scum.

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JTP

Hey, some of my best friends are hippies .

I got the sequence, thanks though. In some of my 'googling' on this topic there were a few who tested positive and the results were returned before they shipped out, those few did not go.

I would also add to your sequence the initial activation order that went out probably 4 months before they shipped. Trust me that if they didn't want to piss hot, they wouldn't have pissed hot.

If their pissing hot was a result of a "going away, hope you make it back" party I think they should be cut a little slack. Slack as in non-judicial punishment (like BAD BOY! go stand watch for 12 hours a day for the next week, but thats it. Nothing permenant). Those people may be dumb, but that does not make them worthy of a dishonorable discharge.

If their pissing hot was a result of a "I don't want to go so I will piss hot" effort, then they should burn. No difference between them and any other attempted deserter.

I don’t know which case it was, hence my qualification. I have known a lot of soldiers who blazed, and they were as stand-up as any. They did, however, value their job and took steps to ensure they didn’t lose it. Just like any other smoker who values their job and gets piss tested makes sure they pass a piss test.

poTCat

That depends. Yes, if they tried to get out of it by purposely failing they should face punishment, but I also think that their personal service (what the individual soldier actually does durring his time in service) should still be crucial to the severity of the punishment.

What if the person most involved in capturing Saddam tried to purposely fail the drug test? Should he be punished worse than someone who didn't try to fail, but would drag his feet wherever he could get away with it?

xxdr_zombiexx

This is only further proof that Marijuana Prohibition and the "War on Druuuuugs" is vastly more important than most people ever grasp. Or want to grasp.

One toke of mary-ju-wanna and you go from being America's Hero to some dishonorable dirtbag: Go catch bullets and if you live, you're dishonorably booted. Your urine is just not American urine anymore.

The message is clear.

100% political ideology.

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There's no money for your issue so long as we're squandering $50 billion a year on the DrugWar. Ben Masel

I M REALY HI

YES RICK, I WILL REPLY. I BELIEVE THAT AFTER THE THINGS WE HAVE BEEN SUBJECTED TO THAT WERE NOT INCLUDED IN THE TRAINING COURSES OR MANUALS, THAT WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO DECOMPRESS AS WE SEE FIT. IT IS NOT EASY TO SAY, YES I HAVE KILLED SOMEONE, LET ALONE LIVE WITH IT WELL.....

I DID THIS SEVERAL TIMES. NOT BECAUSE I COULD NOT LIVE WITHOUT MY CIVILIAN LIFESTYLE, I JUST NEEDED TO FEEL THAT GOOD AGAIN. YOU LOSE THAT. BEING HAMMERED BY THE U.C.M.J. FOR TRYING TO FEEL SOMETHING BESIDES NUMB, CONFUSED, AND VERY SICK WITH GUILT AND LOSS IS ABSOLUTE BULL****. AND IT IS NOT THE REAL PROBLEM THEY SO QUICKLY WANT TO SWEEP UNDER THE WELCOME MAT THEY JUST KICKED YOU BACK OVER. IT'S THE PRICE OF WAR. WE CALL IT THE TAXES......... THERE TIL DEATH.

I SKIRTED A VERY DANGEROUS BARRIER DOING THIS. I WAS A MEMBER OF THE 75TH AIRBORNE RANGER REGIMENT, 2ND BATALLION, 5TH ARMY ATTACHMENT- PACRIM, FORT LEWIS WASHINGTON & 10TH MOUNTAIN DIVISION. ( 10TH HAS MOVED TO FT.DRUM N.Y. )

I AM NOW A CIVILIAN AND A PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR FOR AN ANIMAL CRUELTY INTERVENTION GROUP. I LOVE MY COUNTRY BUT MY GOVERNMENT IS AN ENTITY THAT INDOCTRINATED ME TO NEVER EMBARASS IT. IT CANNOT RECIPROCATE SO I WILL NO LONGER EITHER. FREEDOM MY ASS!

SUA SPONDE ( OF OUR OWN ACCORD )

SFC. DAVE KRATT
U.S ARMY 1977-1992

MR.E

The more people the Government piss off the better. Before long they will have aleinated so many people, no one will be on their side. Prohibition has failed before, it will fail before long. Keep the faith my like minded brothern.
Power to the People!!!!!

insanedevil

me for alcohol, and many a friend for marijuana drug test failure, life goes on, and besides marijuana is not a drug, is an herb

maniac

I am in the military, and I servered in operation Iraqi Freedom. I think that it is rediculous to give people a dishonorable discharge for smoking marijuana while on leave, especially when just getting back from fighting for thier country. I'm not saying it is ok to smoke weed while you are on duty in the military. That can get people hurt, but who gives a **** if your on vacation and you wanna do a little puff-puff-pass with some budies of yours that were worried that you might die in the dessert.