DaDornta

For those members that live in Canada and the USA I wanted to get a general "feeling" about the disturbing state of our eroding civil liberties.

"Don't wavie your rights with your flags" - Sage Francis

Where, and when do you as an individual say, "NO MORE, I draw the line HERE!" Is it when our driver's lisences are replaced starting in '07 by "National Real ID Cards"?

Will you draw the line when the internet starts to become more and more censored?

Will you draw the line when racial profiling results in ethnic groups rounded up and herded into "holding facilities"? (these are actually being built by Halliburton all over the US right now)...

Or will you sit on your couch, smoke your bud and wait for the jack-booted thugs to come banging down your door?

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imported_The_Weed_Man

the line has already been crossed man.

freedom is dead.

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Chea...

JiggsCasey

agreed.
just look at the FREEDOM of SPEECH!

Plainsman1963

It's already been crossed for me. I have already told my wife that I'll go without a drivers license if the real ID actually is implemented.

I told the school last week that my children did not need videotaped, fingerprinted and a dna sample taken in case they were kidnapped.

As for what else to do about it? Read my signature.

JnEverett

I feel the line has been crossed already. And while I don't feel our freedom is gone it is most certainly in serious danger.
The current administration continues to invade our civil liberties and they try to hide their actions. When they get caught in the lies they say they were protecting us!!!
I have said it before and I will say it again....the only way I can sleep at night is knowing that I did not vote for Bush.

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DaDornta

I just noticed new security cameras at the local supermarket right outside pointed out into the parking lot. The days of the covert "meet me at the safeway" to get a bag or two will soon be gone...

We are already on average on some kind of camera over 20 times a day. . .

I'm almost more scared of all the personal and medical information the private sector has on all of us...that might be someday handeded over to the government.

I'm tempted to make signs for the overpasses and whatnot...at least I can say when we're all locked up like sheep that I *did* somthing as the ship went down...

Ive been buying lots of books latley Jack...I have a feeling if things were to get really bad I'd be forced to run off into the woods with nothing by my own two hands. Internet acess won't be an option, so books will be primary source of reference material.

I've got several really good ethnobotany books on the local plants that are edible and their medicinal uses. I've also been learning how to make snares and traps. I'm not really sure I can *fight* to much, as I said the ship is already sinking...

But I want to be prepared to keep myself alive so that I may "fight another day". Getting myself killed in a Tienemen Square-type protest would just be cutting myself short.

I think just trying to raise the awareness levels in the average pothead is a start...

Dark

I certainly do believe the line has been crossed, to much extent, but do you really think that the day will come, where you have to run off into the woods, live off the land and never show your face again?? Our freedoms are being taken away, and we need to stand up for our freedoms, but it certainly won't cause such a catastrophe as this.

Dornta, you are so against the US gov't, and everything it stands for, why don't you leave? Honestly, there ARE options, and sitting here paranoid and trying to make others' paranoid do not help. I surely would hope that before the day came that you had to "run off into the woods with nothing by my own two hands" you would find another country to live in! I somehow feel that you stay, just so that IF the day does come, you will be around to say "I told you so". High hopes...

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Dear Ndugu,

DaDornta

I almost feel like I should have put more options down for this poll..is there a way to do that now or is it kinda stuck in stone?

I apreaciate everyone participating in this discussion. I think just being aware that if we dont WATCH our government, they'll run us down (civil liberties-wise) before we know it.

This insn't about republican ideals or democrat ideals...it's about fundemental freedom that the the founding farthers established over 200 years ago. These ideas are indeed supposed to be maleable to, "reflect the times"...but that isn't what we are seeing, people.

We are seeing these ideals changed, slowly at first and then eliminated completley whille we just sort of go, "oh well, i have nothing to hide right?"

Before to long there will be a hair that breaks the cammel's back--I hope by then most of you have prepared yourselves mentally for what you choose...

Mishka420

I agree that the government is completely fucked. But you also have to realize that with out those cameras how would anyone be able to take down pedifiles and serial killers. So, I'm not totaly against all government. I think that alot of people get pissed off at the government and not a whole lot like to try and do something about those issues. But that is just my opinion.

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Then it starts to reverberate,
then I put on my shoes.
When it has pacified I start to
brush my hair,
as if I can snub it all away.

Billinheimer

One of your options is Something about attacking iran. Doesnt matter what kind of threat they may be we will never ever do shit to them. You wanna know why? they let us borrow money from them to help us pay off our national debt, that bush decided to raise to something around the area of $125 billion