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Niteshift

I do think that the military misrtepresents itself through omission during the recruiting process though. I take exception to the statement that everyone who joins knows what they are signing up for.

It would be impossible to tell everyone EVERYTHING.

But you are asked, prior to enlistment about your drug use. Then you are give a drug tests at the MEPS. MJ use was generally illegal where you enlisted at, so who in their right mind would think it would be ok in the Army.

Then, when you get to basic training, you are read a list of contraband items and given the opportunity to turn in any of those items, with NO QUESTIONS ASKED, before you start in-processing.

In basic training, you are given at least one class on the Army ADAPC (drug and alcohol program). Then, all during your time, you are subjected to random drug tests, as well as health and welfare inspections.


Now what sort of person, faced with all those "clues" could honestly say that they weren't aware?

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I M REALY HI

YES RICK, I WILL REPLY. I BELIEVE THAT AFTER THE THINGS WE HAVE BEEN SUBJECTED TO THAT WERE NOT INCLUDED IN THE TRAINING COURSES OR MANUALS, THAT WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO DECOMPRESS AS WE SEE FIT. IT IS NOT EASY TO SAY, YES I HAVE KILLED SOMEONE, LET ALONE LIVE WITH IT WELL.....

I DID THIS SEVERAL TIMES. NOT BECAUSE I COULD NOT LIVE WITHOUT MY CIVILIAN LIFESTYLE, I JUST NEEDED TO FEEL THAT GOOD AGAIN. YOU LOSE THAT. BEING HAMMERED BY THE U.C.M.J. FOR TRYING TO FEEL SOMETHING BESIDES NUMB, CONFUSED, AND VERY SICK WITH GUILT AND LOSS IS ABSOLUTE BULL****. AND IT IS NOT THE REAL PROBLEM THEY SO QUICKLY WANT TO SWEEP UNDER THE WELCOME MAT THEY JUST KICKED YOU BACK OVER. IT'S THE PRICE OF WAR. WE CALL IT THE TAXES......... THERE TIL DEATH.

I SKIRTED A VERY DANGEROUS BARRIER DOING THIS. I WAS A MEMBER OF THE 75TH AIRBORNE RANGER REGIMENT, 2ND BATALLION, 5TH ARMY ATTACHMENT- PACRIM, FORT LEWIS WASHINGTON & 10TH MOUNTAIN DIVISION. ( 10TH HAS MOVED TO FT.DRUM N.Y. )

I AM NOW A CIVILIAN AND A PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR FOR AN ANIMAL CRUELTY INTERVENTION GROUP. I LOVE MY COUNTRY BUT MY GOVERNMENT IS AN ENTITY THAT INDOCTRINATED ME TO NEVER EMBARASS IT. IT CANNOT RECIPROCATE SO I WILL NO LONGER EITHER. FREEDOM MY ASS!

SUA SPONDE ( OF OUR OWN ACCORD )

SFC. DAVE KRATT
U.S ARMY 1977-1992

Logos

Was in a bit of a general context there. You are absolutely correct in your description, in fact it gave me one of those flashback thingys... Heh, I hit the bong for the first time right before I shipped out. But I remember every step you listed. Man do I have some interesting Army marijuana related stories, but since they are probably only interesting to me, I'll spare everyone.

Ironically, as I remeniss on that four year period, the only time I was really enjoying myself was when I was stoned. They even jipped me out of my honerable discharge certificate. That thing was the only reason I joined in the first place. Maybe joking to that recruiter it was the only reason I was joining caused him to make a particular notation on the classified portion of my records, and he is the reason I never got it... Sadistic salesmen make the best recruiters...

I laugh at how much they misrepresent the military in television commercials. Well, the images are right, but they make it seem so fun...

The War On Drugs, we smoke more by 6 am than most people do all day... KMK

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Niteshift

Just remember, it's not all things to all people.

You felt like you got nothing out of it. I'm the opposite. When I look back and see all the things I got to do, places I went, people I met and training I got, I almost feel like I should give them back part of my check.

I got some incredible opportunities in the Army. Some of the things I will probably never have the chance to do again because they were things needed at the particular moment, not routine things.

There are at least 13 countries I've been in that I'd probably have never visited without the Army. I was in the position to talk to and give advice about certain topics in my expertise to people so high up in the power structures of some govts. that they probably wouldn't let me park their car otherwise.

And a lot of what I did and learned in the Army has helped me excel in my profession.

I'm just glad I got out before Clinton got into office.

MR.E

The more people the Government piss off the better. Before long they will have aleinated so many people, no one will be on their side. Prohibition has failed before, it will fail before long. Keep the faith my like minded brothern.
Power to the People!!!!!

 

JTP

What Niteshift said, with the exception that I did "experience" the Clinton years...

TheNagual

I agree 100%.

The military owns you, and if you decide to join it, you should be prepared to sacrifice all of your rights.
If you're not willing to, then the consequences that the military chooses to dish out are fair.

Personally, I'd get a big grin on my face from a dishonorable discharge.

But I'm a scum sucking hippy who can deal with things like that

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lijnbaansgracht

I am speaking from 28 years ago so it may be a bit scewed, because the use in the 70's was alot more tolerated though still illegal. I was CQ for the night, that means I had to sit at a desk by the front door of the barracks and watch who came in, real rocket science. That night someone was caught with a pipe and small amount of weed. I was to keep it in my desk until morning so the MP's could see it. This was two nights before my honorable discharge from the Army. Well I must of fell asleep and it disappeared so I was the only witness to its existance and I was on a plane to the U.S.A.. When I arrived back here after 8 hours of a flight from hell I was required to return to Europe to testify by some hardas* major. Its just about Christmas and I talked my way out of that. Easy enough to analyse this question though, should of ,would of, could of, does not exist in the military. Its the way it is. Though I believe 100% of this poll must be no if we even have a chance we need to be in each others shoes. How would you want me to vote if it was your life on the line and you were to be judged on marijuana use, I cant think of anything less important to judge someone by maybe we ought to go to jail for haircuts too.

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North of 60

I noticed that ss.112(a) of the UCMJ refers to the "wrongful use" of controlled substances. What happens if a soldier uses the substance in accordance with the law of the jurisdiction the action occurred? For example, Alaska and a number of other states provide for the legal use of mj for medical purposes.

insanedevil

me for alcohol, and many a friend for marijuana drug test failure, life goes on, and besides marijuana is not a drug, is an herb