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makaveli_8 · 04-02-2004, 04:42 AM

I think it would be bull crap cuz if i was in the middle of combat i would be blazin them boys all the time just so i could handle that ****.

Niteshift · 04-02-2004, 05:55 AM

I'm sure being high all the time would greatly increase your chances of making it home alive.

04-02-2004, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by makaveli_8

I think it would be bull crap cuz if i was in the middle of combat i would be blazin them boys all the time just so i could handle that ****.

You know that is a just right on question! I would too it would mellow them out. atleast they would have something to look forward doing some atleast happenin like a great big gager! love one of the biggest Burn outs in G-Town - God im only 17 and I can grow some pot, some pot for them and my self.-Helena#13

smoking_joe_lee · 04-02-2004, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by xxdr_zombiexx

Hey, the military has the rest of the media to make themselves look good.

Literally.

xxdr_zombiexx a moderator? Moderate has nothing to do with zombie! Rabble rouser would be more accurate. The real problem with doc is that he complains about media bias but is about as bad as it gets. He hates FOX News, for example, but at least they allow persons expressing opposing viewpoints. Slanting a news story does NOTHING to increase one's credability. That is why I take everything doc z says with a grain of salt...

JTP · 04-03-2004, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by SoScared

>But you are asked, prior to enlistment about your drug use. Then you are give a drug tests at the MEPS.

I have a friend who is joining the military as an officer. He used many drugs a few years ago. Currently, due to joining the military, he is clean and sober. He has been so for over a year and intends to remain so as long as he is involved with the military. He will pass the drug test. However, he says that he signed a lot of papers claiming that he never did drugs. According to the papers, if the military finds out that he did drugs, he can be fined $10,000, dishonorably discharged, or worse. This is because some jobs in the military require one to have never done any drugs.

Is my friend in danger? I think a dishonorable discharge would just about kill him. If they try to get him into a job that has maximum security checks, they will find evidence that he did drugs and sold pot. Perhaps a lie detector will prove that he did acid, for instance. Can any veterans tell me whether or not my friend is in danger of dishonorable discharge?

By the way, he did admit to smoking marijuana a few times, but no other drugs. The military said that "occasional marijuana use may be overlooked". But they made him fill out forms with many details.

Please help

*SoScared*

Tell him not to say anything, ever. No nods, no knowing grins, no partying on leave, nothing. Not if he wants to enjoy his 7 years, or however long he is in. Depending on what he ends up doing, the Military may just check - it comes down to the clearence he ends up needing. Unless he is looking at something on the very high-tech end it will never go further than his teachers, criminal record (or lack of), identifiable friends and family.

If he is going combat arms, they will not dig very deep at all and he can relax about getting "found out".

smoking_joe_lee · 04-07-2004, 09:15 AM

This poll has been, like, run into the ground, eh. How about something new?
What's your favorite snack?
1. Doritos (original)
2. Doritos (cool ranch)
3. Doritos (the disgusting green ones)
4. brownies with pot
5. chicken 'pot' pie
6. whatever they are serving at the mess hall
7. and so the civilians don't feel left out...whatever they are serving at McDonalds. "Supersize it dude! I got the munchies!!!"
"People don't start wars, governments do." Ronald Reagan
ps
Yes, I know, they don't "supersize" at micky dee's anymore. Too many law suits from people pigging out on high fat foods and, ....wondwe of wonders, getting fat

Tyrvald · 04-07-2004, 09:51 AM

How could anyone on here believe a soldier should get dishonorable discharge for failing a drug test? How do the soldiers not have a right to pot just as you do? Especially since the man who inspired the poll was a horribly injured war hero who used pot because he was depressed and probably in pain.

To all of you pot heads who think soldiers should be dishonorably discharged, you either need to look up dishonorable in a dictionary, or if you understand English, you probably just need a butt kicking.

I apologize if I seem a bit cranky to any of you jerks who voted yes, but I haven't had my pot in weeks, just migrains...and people being stupid.

Niteshift · 04-07-2004, 11:46 AM

How do the soldiers not have a right to pot just as you do?

That's an empty arguement.

A soldier VOULUNTEERS to join the military. He signs a CONTRACT, stating tat he will follow the rules. Then he raises his hand and takes an OATH to follow the rules................ They accept the rules because the CHOSE to join.

How can you equate that with someone opposing a law that was passed before their parents were born and they had no say over it? Civilians didn't volunteer to be born here. They didn't sign a contract with the govt. They didn't swear an oath to follow the laws. They had no CHOICE.

Especially since the man who inspired the poll was a horribly injured war hero who used pot because he was depressed and probably in pain.

Really? I didn't read that.

To all of you pot heads who think soldiers should be dishonorably discharged, you either need to look up dishonorable in a dictionary, or if you understand English, you probably just need a butt kicking.

Perhaps you should look up "volunteer", "contract", "oath" and "choice".

You are way off on the wrong track with this line of reasoning.

DonkeyPunch · 04-07-2004, 09:58 PM

Regardless of what I think of the military's rules and regs, I believe that it is a fairly closed discussion. When joining the military, you are signing a fairly specific and strict contract. Drugs of any sort break that contract.

It reminds me a lot of the censorship threads that keep popping up on the boards. People come in agreeing to the rules, then argue the rules once they are in violation of them (or, more recently, before the rules were even broken!!). People seem to think that a lot of their rights are God-given, be it free speech, free assembly, right to bear arms, right to vote, right to smoke pot... In all cases, there are quite a few places and situations where these do not apply. Put the military on the top of that list.

04-16-2004, 05:31 AM

People try the military because sometimes they do not have any other alternative. An oath, that doesn't mean anything anymore. Today is do what you have to do to survive. If you have a problem in the military and you are one of the "ones" that do not kiss ass then you are screwed. The higher ups will make your life a living hell.
You need an option. You smoke some mj and get a General discharge after doing 45/45 half month pay x 2. You do not even serve the full 45. You just serve the time that it takes to out-process you.
If you want to get out, by all means smoke; Otherwise, smoke carefully.

View Poll Results: Dishonorable Discharge for failed drugtest, after combat?
YES	125	12.36%
NO	886	87.64%
Voters: 1011. You may not vote on this poll

04-02-2004, 04:42 AM	#51
makaveli_8 New Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 1 Grams: 795.20 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	dishonorable discharge I think it would be bull crap cuz if i was in the middle of combat i would be blazin them boys all the time just so i could handle that ****.

04-02-2004, 05:55 AM	#52
Niteshift L.E.O. in Good Standing Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 6,432 Grams: 3,007.17 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	I'm sure being high all the time would greatly increase your chances of making it home alive. __________________ A burning desire for social justice is never a substitute for knowing what you're talking about. -Thomas Sowell Sometimes the light at the end of the tunnel is muzzle flash.

04-07-2004, 09:15 AM	#56
smoking_joe_lee Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 321 Grams: 2,029.35 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	how about a new poll This poll has been, like, run into the ground, eh. How about something new? What's your favorite snack? 1. Doritos (original) 2. Doritos (cool ranch) 3. Doritos (the disgusting green ones) 4. brownies with pot 5. chicken 'pot' pie 6. whatever they are serving at the mess hall 7. and so the civilians don't feel left out...whatever they are serving at McDonalds. "Supersize it dude! I got the munchies!!!" "People don't start wars, governments do." Ronald Reagan ps Yes, I know, they don't "supersize" at micky dee's anymore. Too many law suits from people pigging out on high fat foods and, ....wondwe of wonders, getting fat

04-07-2004, 09:51 AM	#57
Tyrvald New Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 2 Grams: 795.40 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	Yes? Are you insane? How could anyone on here believe a soldier should get dishonorable discharge for failing a drug test? How do the soldiers not have a right to pot just as you do? Especially since the man who inspired the poll was a horribly injured war hero who used pot because he was depressed and probably in pain. To all of you pot heads who think soldiers should be dishonorably discharged, you either need to look up dishonorable in a dictionary, or if you understand English, you probably just need a butt kicking. I apologize if I seem a bit cranky to any of you jerks who voted yes, but I haven't had my pot in weeks, just migrains...and people being stupid.

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04-07-2004, 11:46 AM	#58
Niteshift L.E.O. in Good Standing Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 6,432 Grams: 3,007.17 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	How do the soldiers not have a right to pot just as you do? That's an empty arguement. A soldier VOULUNTEERS to join the military. He signs a CONTRACT, stating tat he will follow the rules. Then he raises his hand and takes an OATH to follow the rules................ They accept the rules because the CHOSE to join. How can you equate that with someone opposing a law that was passed before their parents were born and they had no say over it? Civilians didn't volunteer to be born here. They didn't sign a contract with the govt. They didn't swear an oath to follow the laws. They had no CHOICE. Especially since the man who inspired the poll was a horribly injured war hero who used pot because he was depressed and probably in pain. Really? I didn't read that. To all of you pot heads who think soldiers should be dishonorably discharged, you either need to look up dishonorable in a dictionary, or if you understand English, you probably just need a butt kicking. Perhaps you should look up "volunteer", "contract", "oath" and "choice". You are way off on the wrong track with this line of reasoning.

04-07-2004, 09:58 PM	#59
DonkeyPunch Seasoned Activist Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 1,484 Grams: 3,040.90 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	Regardless of what I think of the military's rules and regs, I believe that it is a fairly closed discussion. When joining the military, you are signing a fairly specific and strict contract. Drugs of any sort break that contract. It reminds me a lot of the censorship threads that keep popping up on the boards. People come in agreeing to the rules, then argue the rules once they are in violation of them (or, more recently, before the rules were even broken!!). People seem to think that a lot of their rights are God-given, be it free speech, free assembly, right to bear arms, right to vote, right to smoke pot... In all cases, there are quite a few places and situations where these do not apply. Put the military on the top of that list. __________________ Posting Guidelines

04-16-2004, 05:31 AM	#60
PO3 420 Posts: n/a Grams: 0 [Check] Stock Portfolio Total Value: Gain/Loss: %	People try the military because sometimes they do not have any other alternative. An oath, that doesn't mean anything anymore. Today is do what you have to do to survive. If you have a problem in the military and you are one of the "ones" that do not kiss ass then you are screwed. The higher ups will make your life a living hell. You need an option. You smoke some mj and get a General discharge after doing 45/45 half month pay x 2. You do not even serve the full 45. You just serve the time that it takes to out-process you. If you want to get out, by all means smoke; Otherwise, smoke carefully.

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