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JTP

Well, I would say that anyone who would support the use of bud in such situations has obviously never been in a combat environment.

 

Niteshift

Well, I would say that anyone who would support the use of bud in such situations has obviously never been in a combat environment.

I'd agree.

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Elijah

I just got out of the Air Force. I spent my time in Japan for the length of my service. I will say they should have been discharged. Dishonorable, I believe they would get at least. Whether that be right or not, well I wouldn't say so.

The military is all about appearances. It doesn't matter how hard you work; its who sees you doing it. It is a very unforgiving society. Set apart completely from any norm that anyone would take for granted.

I recieved a General Discharge under Honorable Conditions. I was discharged (from what my commander said) for a single mistake I made 8 months prior that they felt I was unable to overcome. We had a new commander and new shirt (the one who is suppose to take your side and plead your case with the commander).

8 months prior, I had got into a bad car addict going to drop my friends off downtown. I had gotten off of work not to long before, and my friends came and got me to give them a ride. Well, I broke my leg in a couple place was laid up for a month.

After I got back to work I got an office job at the squadron. An important desk job when you usually work at flight level. I basicly had to teach myself and lead a group of 3 japanese nationals doing paper work for all the people in the second biggest squadron on base.

We to cut it short. I felt that drinking responsibly underage was ok. So I would went downtown on a weekend and had a drink or two. There was a fight down at bar row that I witnessed. The guy fighting was a real asshole. They asked me at the gate if I had seen anything while I was down there and I was more than happy to help them find that asshole. Well, all I knew was a description and what his nickname was. After they questioned me a little more about it, they asked me to give a full name. I told them I couldn't, because I didn't know. He then said that he knew my age and that it would be prudent for me to tell him the name. So I got busted. Damn me for helping the popos.

Well, 2 months later we get a new shirt and new commander and the shirt tells me they want to start administrative paper work on the underage drinking thing that night. Then he and the commander said they were going to add drinking and driving to it for the accident 6 months prior. They were not even there for it, and there was absolutely no alcohol in my BAT. But they called it a fraud. After trying to coax my 4 friends that were in the car to say I was drinking and everyone saying that I wasn't, they gave up proving it and just added it anyway.

We had a big inspection right while we were going through all this. So they paused all of it for the inspection (like a month away). Inspections in the military for commanders decide whether they get to keep a command or lose it. So they kept me at my desk job (the most important desk job in the squadron as far as they are concerned - Command Support Staff). We passed the inspection without one write up. The inspectors also said we had the best tracking systems for paperwork on base. Most efficent and best design.

Right after the inspection ended they gave me the boot. I was treasurer for the Junior Enlisted Council (one of the biggest private orgs on base). Supervisor for the command support staff. They had complimented me on all my work that they had seen. Ad infintum ad nausea.

Do I think it was right that they gave me the boot, because I believed since I serve my country I should have the right to drink a beer (not even get trashed)? No, not really. But I can see where they are coming from with what they did, because it is the military. Although the shirt is now under MEO (Military Equal Opp.) inspection for actions he has taken to remove individuals from service. What he did to me he had also done to 6 others (more now) in the 5 months I was with him. Since I did all paperwork I got to see that we had the highest discharge rate of any squadron on base. Most 15s in 5th AF for that time too.

That's my story. I don't think they should get dishonorable. But I wouldn't expect anything less.

-Elijah

EntheogeniCTHC

That is bullsh*t they should get the right to smoke freely.

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gijoe

I did go over on this one and did see combat for a year and three months and i've never done an illegal drug, and i believe that if you are where your supposed to be, when your supposed to be there and can do your job then everything is great. as long as your not being a (buddy ****er). Out of sight- out of mind, if you get caught,Hey you know what can happen,dont complain, If they pissed hot just to get out of going then kick them out- or worse keep them here in jail until the unit gets back then start rehab classes or kick him out, time served either way. before they go, sending them over would be punishing them with the possibility of death, and i wouldnt want someone who's preoccupied with something other than whats going on right then covering me. Any drug, legal or illegal can and does have a huge affect on a guy who is working 12 to 16 hour days in 140 degree heat wearing 100 pounds worth of gear and has only ate one meal and has'nt showered in a week and is being shot at, You gotta be there 100% for yourself and your buddy if you want to come home.-later dudes