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Old 07-22-2004, 04:52 AM   #11
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Hell YES it bothers me! The criminalization of marijuana is as racist as segregation was and the government had no right to criminalize it in the first place. To me, it is about taking back rights and demanding fairness and equality. Those that don't care obviously haven't been affected by the illegality of it YET. How many activists are there that are activists because they have been busted? If they hadn't been busted, would they be activists? Not likely. Most people have the attitude that "it won't happen to me" so they don't care because it hasn't effected them.
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Old 07-22-2004, 05:17 AM   #12
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I strongly believe that marijuana should stay illegal.
I do not mean to be a hypocrite however some people fail to realize the danger, as well as what goes on between drug dealers who deal Marijuana in large amounts. Nobody sees the rips offs, murders, home invasions, as well as the innocent (Joe Hippies) who gets robed of his Marijuana by some druggy who then trades it for coke, Hell I had known people that were murdered for a dime bag, it happens every day in the hood. Legalizing marijuana for personal use will also make it easier for under age, smokers to obtain moreover encourage people to smoke it on a daily basis, we as a society do not need any more habits we have enough of them as it is. Obesity, alcoholism, Drug Addiction; we do not need to add more fuel into the fire by legalizing marijuana.
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Old 07-22-2004, 05:31 AM   #13
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It sure bothers me...

Right from the moment it was banned, right through reefer madness, and right to today, every single aspect of marijuana's illegality bothers me, and is WAY up there with things that make me ashamed of my own government.

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Old 07-22-2004, 04:39 PM   #14
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Default Society is a behemoth...

... but ironically steps with baby sized feet. I feel prohibition is a small step in a long and evil direction.

Yeah, I am crazy like that

Progress is slow as well, but I feel we are winning, and the internet is a valuable tool. Opinons are things which the ruling beaucracy would wish to stifle. Such as the opinion "My body, being mine, should be solely be under MY control. Taking that control away from me, in any way is a infringement upon my personal rights."
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Old 07-22-2004, 05:04 PM   #15
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Yes it bugs me alot that marijuana is illegal. Of course, most people who dont smoke it arent going to want to do anything to make it legal. Why should they either, not their problem, so they arent going to spend their time and/or money to make it happen.
As a long time non-smoker here were the reasons why I started giving money to NORML, MPP, DPA, and Libertarian candidates years ago.
1. Freedom. You should be able to smoke, eat or drink whatever you want. (Individual rights).
2. Freedom. You should be able to grow hemp or marijuana plants on your land (Property rights).
3. Freedom. We shouldn't be spending my tax money ($261/year) fighting drug prohibition. I have better things to do with my money. Besides I worked hard for it and it is mine - not the politicians to steal at whenever they want!

What bothers me is that many smokers really don't care. I had friends in college who smoked (and still smoke), but thought pot should remain illegal. They couldn't understand why I wanted it legal when I didn't smoke. I must have grown up with a different understanding of what Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness meant.

If pot smokers started to care we could legalize next year starting in Vermont and then spreading to the rest of the country. It would only take the 21000 people on this forum to give up pot for a week and donate $20 to my campaign for Governor in Vermont. $20*21000=$420k which is a major campaign in Vermont. http://donate.hardy2004.com/

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Old 07-22-2004, 08:03 PM   #16
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Cool It's the Conservative vs The Liberals

The people when asked don't mind marijuana. In fact they agree with most Liberal ideas. But the Goverment is run by the Conservatives. Why is that? Even the Democrats seem to far to the right. The answer is that Right Wing Lobbiest are controlling big money. The NYSE & the NASDAQ dictates how the people are governed. Outsourcing to Pacific Rim countries with no health & safety laws. No environmental laws. Low wages. The NYSE & the NASDAQ rewards companies that do that. Jobs lost in the USA, who care? Not the goverment. "American" companies operating offshore for tax reasons are rewarded to by the NYSE & the NASDAQ. The problem is marijuana is a Liberal idea and who funds Liberal ideas? Think about it. And now who funds Conservatives ideas?

Liberal ideas don't make money, there just good for the people and the environment. Conservative ideas make money, but are not good for the people or the environment. Marijuana will never become a Conservative issue. Why? Because you cannot make money from it. Legalize it and everyone will have a garden. Try and tax that!
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Old 07-22-2004, 08:38 PM   #17
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Yes it bothers me and as I can see a lot of other people. When most of the nation supports at least legalizing medicinal marijuana if not complete legalization. It bothers me that in states where it is legal to use medical marijuana, the feds still think they must intrude. It bothers me that innocent people's lives are destroyed over a plant, a plant that is no more harmful than most pills and things people use on a daily basis. It bothers me that in the Netherlands they have the right idea on how to deal with marijuana and here in the U.S. were still destroying lives.
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Old 07-22-2004, 08:58 PM   #18
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Marijuana will never become a Conservative issue. Why? Because you cannot make money from it. Legalize it and everyone will have a garden. Try and tax that!
Say what?

So conservatives wouldn't want to legalize and tax it because then they can only raise $ 4.929.037.250,- instead of the $ 9.673.215.000,- they could have raised annualy if no-one was selfrelient or breaking the law?

Well the numbers are my estimates but you get the picture.

And conservatives wouldn't like that?

As for me, well even though I don't have my government hassling me I am still breaking the law - well, officially

Sorry, but it's true

No, prohibition is a fascinating social phenomenon to me. For millions if not billions of people the illegallity is a mere nuisance. For a whole lot of others these extremist laws, changeable with the stroke of a pen, pose negative life affecting consequences. Consequences that are not caused by the drugs itself but some dogma that got turned into law.

I say harm refusal.

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Maybe we have to move to a different philosophical position and say that some of the harms that are created by our discriminatory drug policies can no longer be accepted and included in a scheme to reduce these harms. I would say that the incredible rate of imprisonment in the United States is one of those harms that we cannot accept. The intolerable damage inflicted on third world drug producers are merely the side effects of trying to keep illicit drugs out of the United States or the European Union; this damage is simply not acceptable. We have to develop ideas about harm refusal. Human Rights are of course the philosophical background against which we can judge those harms and I think that is what we should apply. Harm reduction is relevant for certain social conditions and for certain political contexts. However, the power of the police in the United States is truly excessive, as is the harm done by them. The power of military forces enforcing drug laws in countries in Asia and here in Latin America is simply unacceptable. In some areas of drug politics we have to move from harm reduction to harm refusal.
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Old 07-22-2004, 09:06 PM   #19
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It bothers me that in the Netherlands they have the right idea on how to deal with marijuana and here in the U.S. were still destroying lives.
Heh, can you believe I've been staring at my screen over 20 minutes

Yeah, me too. Peace
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it bothers me but then again I don't know what it would be like to have it legal since I was never alive during the times where it was legal or when it was not enforced like it is now. I am only 24, so all I know from MJ in terms of legality is that it is illegal and that it will most likely stay that way for a long time since so many people are dead set in their ways and want to keep things the same; it still irks me to think that people see MJ the same way they do in the depiction of it in the movie Reefer Madness.........how people who smoke get dellusional, kill and rape people and such; ugh, it drives me nuts.

All I want to do when I get stoned is watch tv and eat ice cream!
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