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***rick*** · 07-25-2004, 02:35 AM

This poll is in relation to a recently featured article, http://www.marijuana.com/420/showthread.php?t=31491 .

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Originally Posted by from the article...

A European Union (EU) working group on drug policy has issued a draft resolution identifying marijuana as European drug problem number one and recommending, among other things, that governments move to censor or criminalize Internet sites that provide information on cannabis cultivation or promote its use.

Is this the writing on the wall for sites like Marijuana.Com & HempCultivation.Com as well as many others, including MAP & NORML? I hope not, but given the dire situation the prohibitionists are in, I would expect any attack from them. Much like terrorist, they are desperate people holding on to an ideology that is not supported by civilizations.

So, the poll - Where will Marijuana.Com be in five years?

Higher Logic · 07-25-2004, 02:47 AM

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It's a target that is highly achievable. Japan already claims to be 2 years ahead of Europe and the U.S. in wireless communications through the well orchestrated mastery of government and industry manifest in the form of i-mode. Japan at its best. Touche! And should these same forces combine to create a comprehensive fiber-optic network from Hokkaido to Kyushu, Japan will definitely be reveling in its own IT revolution. The key, of course, is NTT.

Starting in 2005 Windows will release Windows Longhorn and Windows Longhorn Server, but expect it to be more widely used around 2006-2007.

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One of the most exciting aspects of Longhorn is its optional integration with Palladium, Microsoft's technology for realizing its Trustworthy Computing vision. Palladium--now called Next Generation Secure Computing Base (NGSCB)--is basically a secure run-time environment for Windows and other operating systems that allows a coming generation of software applications and services to protect the end user from privacy invasion, outside hacking, spam, and other electronic attacks. Palladium requires special hardware security chips and microprocessors (which will be made by Intel and AMD) and doesn't interfere with the normal operation of the PC. That is, Palladium-based PCs will still operate normally, working with legacy operating systems and applications. But specially-made Palladium applications and services will offer a range of features of functionality not found in the non-Palladium world, and if the initiative is successful, we'll one day be running only Palladium-based software.

If you're familiar with the .NET model, you might be aware of the notion of "managed" and "non-managed" (or legacy) code. Palladium will institute a similar model for PC software, where a trusted execution mode is used for Palladium applications and services and the old, "untrusted" mode is used for legacy code.

Microsoft designed Palladium around the following ideals:

Palladium will tell you who you're dealing with online, and what they're doing. It will uniquely identify you to your PC and can limit what arrives (and runs on) that computer. Information that comes in from the Internet will be verified before you can access it.

Palladium protects information using encryption to seal data so that "snoops and thieves are thwarted." The system can maintain document integrity so that documents can't be altered without your knowledge.

Palladium stops viruses and worms. The system won't run unauthorized programs, preventing viruses from trashing your system.

Palladium stops spam. Spam will be stopped before it even hits your email inbox. Unsolicited mail that you might actually want to receive will be allowed through if it has credentials that meet your user-defined standards.

Palladium safeguards privacy. In addition to the system's ability to seal data on your PC, Palladium can also seal data sent across the Internet using software agents that ensure the data reaches only the proper people. Newsweek reports that the agent has been nicknamed "My Man," a goof on ".NET My Services," "My Documents," and other similar names at Microsoft.

Palladium controls information after it's sent from your PC. Using Digital Rights Management (DRM) technology, Palladium can be used to securely distribute music, movies, and other intellectual property securely over the Internet. Movie studios and the recording industry could use this technology to let their customers exercise their fair use rights to copy audio CDs and movies, for example. "It's a funny thing," says Bill Gates. "We came at this thinking about music, but then we realized that e-mail and documents were far more interesting domains." Gates says that Palladium could ensure that email designated as private could not be forwarded or copied to other people, for example. Or, the Newsweek reports reads, "you could create Word documents that could be read only in the next week. In all cases, it would be the user, not Microsoft, who sets these policies."

Microsoft's Secret Plan for a Secure PC

Like I said, be expecting HUGE security increases, which can be bad and good depending on how, or WHO is looking at it...

I for one do not like the idea, and expect a lot of civil liberties to be in conflict as well as a lot more government control of the internet. WE cannot let it happen.

07-25-2004, 02:57 AM

You left out one option...

Even Better than what it is now !

...have a cookie

Hugz,

Mama Budz
(online since '85...Compu$erve at $12 an hour during the day OUCH!)

PotShot · 07-25-2004, 04:50 AM

Any restriction or control on the internet dampers human progress. In essence the internet is the largest library our civilization has ever witnessed, and as our knowledge grows so does our technology. Microsoft cannot possibly develop all this technology on its own - thus monopolys are a hinderance to progress.

Intranets are autonomous, so I think palladium would be suitable for private networks that are susceptible to "hacker invasion"(snicker). I do not understand why this would be neccessary for the internet as a whole, as in, if you safeguard the important mail servers, domain servers, etc, why would you need to safeguard every single person's PC?

I think in the personal PC security arena, most of the issues could be solved by basic user education. But of course, education always leads to messy problems like... well.... people being educated.

One needs only to look at our school systems, and the internet available there to see where things could be going.

Most can agree that knowledge is power(and it is), and the government would love to control it. One must wonder how connected the gov and microsoft really is?

Well, I guess we will see how this goes down, hopefully marijuana.com will continue to be the nexus of personal rights info that it is today.

Higher Logic · 07-25-2004, 07:06 AM

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Microsoft, you see, is electing to make WinFS not just a mere file system but a complex database engine application that will manage relational and XML data as well as file data.

Microsoft says this aims to give users a way to search for information content independent of format. I say that's a job for search engines, and Google's doing just fine, thank you very much. I don't see any real need to deconstruct something as basic as a file system and replace it with such a complex infrastructure except to make it harder for anyone else—say, the open-source community—to make WinFS-compatible programs and servers.

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With all of those proprietary innovations, I don't see any way it can be fast, even if we're running Pentium VIs at 4GHz when it finally comes out. Stable? Secure? Please! They didn't get it right in Server 2003, and it didn't have a quarter of the new stuff they're planning for Longhorn. And as for opens standards, come on, this is Microsoft we're talking about after all.

Longhorn will require both hardware and software to run this high security they are talking about, which means you'll need specific 3rd party components.

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All in all, there's no question in my mind that Longhorn is meant to do two things. One is to make money by replacing aging XP installations (and maybe this time Microsoft will get the Windows '98 users to switch, too!) The second is to make life harder for open-source advocates.

lijnbaansgracht · 07-26-2004, 06:51 PM

We all know increased security means decreased freedoms. We are rocketing down the road to censorship of everyone and everything. From where you go to who your with, its all being tracked or will be tracked in the near future. An excellent here where I live is the new sensors on tops of street poles that track all cars with automatic toll paying devices from point to point to "see how well trafic is moving". This isn't on the toll roads but on the main streets in the city I live. The cameras are, ofcourse, not even noticed anymore because they are so common place. Now beware of the new cellular phone you buy next year, they will all come with a built in chip that allows the GOVT. to identify your exact location within inches even if the phone is off. You may be able to disable the device so your boss cannot locate you, but you will never be able do disable the "911" functionality of it "for your own safety". Sorry for the bubble burst.

lijnbaansgracht · 07-26-2004, 06:55 PM

Budz, you are such a positive spirit. I hope to see you some day.

PsYcHoLoGiCaL · 07-28-2004, 02:58 AM

If you want a free internet then you should really consider joining and donating to the Electronic Frontier Foundation, do your part to keep the internet free from censorship! If you don't protect your digital rights than no one else will.

http://eff.org
https://secure.eff.org/

melanotaenia · 07-28-2004, 03:25 AM

well I know they (the gov't) are closing paraphenalia pages left and right. Do you think that eventually they will find a way to work this website into that scope and close it down? I would hate to see this happen, but do you think it might due to it being related to marijuana and usage, etc?

That would be such a sad, sad day. I know the internet is freedom of speech and everything, but the government seems to be able to go above any law or rule if they really want to.

EntheogeniCTHC · 08-25-2004, 08:00 AM

I voted for the same as it is today because I beilive in freedom of speech man. And if enyone tryed to close this website or enything like that everyone here would freak out riots might start.

View Poll Results: What will Marijuana.Com be in five years?
A D.E.A. Website	20	7.97%
A pharmaceutical website	21	8.37%
An internet wide censored website	37	14.74%
Much the same as it is today	173	68.92%
Voters: 251. You may not vote on this poll

07-25-2004, 04:50 AM	#4
PotShot Sr. Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 925 Grams: 3,658.76 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	Any restriction or control on the internet dampers human progress. In essence the internet is the largest library our civilization has ever witnessed, and as our knowledge grows so does our technology. Microsoft cannot possibly develop all this technology on its own - thus monopolys are a hinderance to progress. Intranets are autonomous, so I think palladium would be suitable for private networks that are susceptible to "hacker invasion"(snicker). I do not understand why this would be neccessary for the internet as a whole, as in, if you safeguard the important mail servers, domain servers, etc, why would you need to safeguard every single person's PC? I think in the personal PC security arena, most of the issues could be solved by basic user education. But of course, education always leads to messy problems like... well.... people being educated. One needs only to look at our school systems, and the internet available there to see where things could be going. Most can agree that knowledge is power(and it is), and the government would love to control it. One must wonder how connected the gov and microsoft really is? Well, I guess we will see how this goes down, hopefully marijuana.com will continue to be the nexus of personal rights info that it is today. __________________ Posting Guidelines Carl Sagan Goodness Richard Dawkins Goodness --------------------- THE SINGULARITY IS NEAR.

07-26-2004, 06:51 PM	#6
lijnbaansgracht Jr. Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 148 Grams: 1,511.75 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	Still singing and still dancing We all know increased security means decreased freedoms. We are rocketing down the road to censorship of everyone and everything. From where you go to who your with, its all being tracked or will be tracked in the near future. An excellent here where I live is the new sensors on tops of street poles that track all cars with automatic toll paying devices from point to point to "see how well trafic is moving". This isn't on the toll roads but on the main streets in the city I live. The cameras are, ofcourse, not even noticed anymore because they are so common place. Now beware of the new cellular phone you buy next year, they will all come with a built in chip that allows the GOVT. to identify your exact location within inches even if the phone is off. You may be able to disable the device so your boss cannot locate you, but you will never be able do disable the "911" functionality of it "for your own safety". Sorry for the bubble burst. __________________ The secret of life is in enjoying the passage of time.

07-28-2004, 02:58 AM	#8
PsYcHoLoGiCaL Seasoned Activist Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 1,596 Grams: 3,163.70 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	If you want a free internet then you should really consider joining and donating to the Electronic Frontier Foundation, do your part to keep the internet free from censorship! If you don't protect your digital rights than no one else will. http://eff.org https://secure.eff.org/ __________________ "Many of life's failures are people who did not realize how close they were to success when they gave up." -- Thomas A. Edison

07-28-2004, 03:25 AM	#9
melanotaenia Seasoned Activist Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 1,464 Grams: 4,156.70 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts Thanks: 0 Thanked 5 Times in 1 Post Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	Do you think they will ever close marijuana.com? :( well I know they (the gov't) are closing paraphenalia pages left and right. Do you think that eventually they will find a way to work this website into that scope and close it down? I would hate to see this happen, but do you think it might due to it being related to marijuana and usage, etc? That would be such a sad, sad day. I know the internet is freedom of speech and everything, but the government seems to be able to go above any law or rule if they really want to. __________________ Your Best Friend is Right Here: Search and You Shall Receive For more info on Urine Testing, Click Here The Obligatory Forum Rules You Must Read Recipes

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07-25-2004, 02:57 AM	#3
Mamabudz Posts: n/a Grams: 0 [Check] Stock Portfolio Total Value: Gain/Loss: %	You left out one option... Even Better than what it is now ! ...have a cookie Hugz, Mama Budz (online since '85...Compu$erve at $12 an hour during the day OUCH!)

07-26-2004, 06:55 PM	#7
lijnbaansgracht Jr. Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 148 Grams: 1,511.75 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	Budz, you are such a positive spirit. I hope to see you some day.

08-25-2004, 08:00 AM	#10
EntheogeniCTHC New Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 27 Grams: 799.15 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	I voted for the same as it is today because I beilive in freedom of speech man. And if enyone tryed to close this website or enything like that everyone here would freak out riots might start. __________________ “Approximately 400,000 people die each year from tobacco. Approximately 150,000 people die each year from alcohol. Approximately 10,000 people die each year from caffeine and aspirin. Yet only 4,000 people die each year from all illegal drugs combined, and not a single one of those deaths is caused by marijuana.” U.S. Surgeon General’s reports 1978-1998

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