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smoking_joe_lee

To paraphrase that great American, former candidate for governor of California, Gary Coleman, "What you talkin' 'bout zombie?"

You talk about how great the Green Party is but admit you will not vote for their candidate. You admit you will vote for a person you dislike from a party you, at best, distrust. You seem to think the Green Party has no chance. Maybe this year, that's true...BUT...You reach tens of thousands of potential voters EVERY DAY. Go back and re-read my post starting at "One reason to vote for..." If you really believe this party holds promise for our nation, SAY SO WITH A CLEAR ENDORSEMENT.
Constantly trashing the GOP is not the answer. This only creates a backlash in the long run. And damning the Democrats with faint praise seems to hold little promise either unless it is to discourage people from voting. "What choice do I have...?"
As for the "Joe McCarthy" comment, *shrug* I'll get over it. In the past, I have voted for , Democrats, Republicans, Independants, even a few Libertarians. Sorry, no greens...yet!

Now for the results of ths latest from the folks at Gallup;

http://www.gallup.com/election2004/

when I checked it was Bush 52%, Kerry 45%

Ok, I admit it; I would not have posted the above poll numbers if it weren't for the McCarthy comment!
Have a cookie on me though.

 

cassiusclay

Yes, yes it is in fact. The Grand Ole Piece'owork is making all the decisions that they claim Kerry would SCREW UP... but of course you think the country is just fine the way it is now

Joe what did you think about the Republicans helping to get Nader on the ballot in Michigan?

So I see what you're saying here. You want us to say "Oh, what a great American, standing up for diversity" But I hear "Vote for anybody but Kerry cause we got a near lock on 50%"

Simple math Joe. simple math

smoking_joe_lee

Hey cassiusclay, is it the story that 45,000 out of the 50,000 signitures to put Nader on the ballot in Michigan were collected by persons connected to the state GOP? No, I don't think it's cool. I am speaking more in a moral sence. According to ther Detroit Free Press,(9-10-04)the democrats claim it is a violation of the campaign contribution law. Gathering 45,000 signitures is worth more than the $5,000 contribution limit and therefore state republicans and Nader should be fined. They are probably correct, but I don't see it changing anything because even if convicted it would be after the election and would result in nominal fine[s]. As it is, Nader's name stays on the ballot. Seems I heard he was getting the boot in Florida though...Do you think that is right, CC?

As for the country, we need change. We need to move in a different direction. If more people spoke out for small political parties like the Greens there is an very good chance that someday it would be a large, powerful one; perhaps even displacing one of the big two. It's happened in the past. Where is the Federalist party? It was once the most powerful in the nation. Now it should be easier to advance a party with the power of the internet.

GrooveGuardian

Do your country a favour and dont vote.... there are no good choices

cassiusclay

I'm not aware of the proceedings in Florida against Nader but I don't believe a third party has a chance in the forseeable future. I wish that weren't true and I wish I felt there was time to vote for them to help them get stronger...

For me, it seems like trying to grow good pot by tossing a seed in the window box. you'll get something but it won't be worth s#^t.

So.. since Democrats allow Liberals and Republicans don't, I'll vote Democrat.

I don't buy the arguement that too much Liberalism is bad, but I do believe that having none is very bad.

The big difference is that if a party thinks they have all the answers (Republicans 'cause they talk to God) then I don't want them to keep their campaign promises. I want someone who keeps a promise to legislate according to the peoples needs. Needs and understandings are an evolving thing. Policies must evolve with them.

Thats the problem with "morals" and "values". Liberals have those things because they can admit when they're wrong (sometimes) and allow change. Republicans want to claim the high ground on values because they think they already know what should be valued and what shouldn't. But they base these values on things like religion macho protectionism that tend to repress those who disagree.

I'm not saying Liberals are perfect, they're just more compassionate. I see no sense of compassion from the Republicans. They say they are compassionate but do nothing to support that. Where's the compassion in rolling back environmental standards (one of Bush's first actions)? Medical Marijuana? Health Care? They don't come through, unless there's a profit in it. I wish someone could name one compassionate thing the R's have done in the last 4 years.

Anyway, I say don't waste your vote. Get the Dems back in and then work to improve it from there.

 

JTP

I would like you to name one compassionate thing the Dems have done, for the sake of discussion.

I think you are confusing compassion with the fermenting of government dependancy. Fostering dependence on the government is not compassionate, it is tool of manipulation and control.

cassiusclay

In the last 4 years, there has been no one in the white house claiming to be a compassionate liberal, for the sake of discussion. I was refering to the current claims by the gop of compassionate conservatism. Since they are making the claim, I am asking based on what exactly.

Oh yeah, well we better get that War on fermenting of government dependancy going soon or we're all doomed. That is such a rampant problem. Just like that damned liberal media, ruining our great country. (end sarcasm)

JTP

Hey, I am generous. Give me one example of Democratic compassion from the last 2 decades.

smoking_joe_lee

Here's one from the Clinton/Gore era. FMLA The Family and Medical Leave Act. This allows workers to take up to 12 weeks off without pay to take care of seriously ill family members. It isn't any tax payer funded welfare state boondogle. Just a good idea. Compassionate.

And xxdr. zombiexx thinks I can't Mention Clinton without also brining his fling with Monica up! Oops, I just did...

JTP

Ok, smoking_joe_lee, that is a good example.

Other than that example I meant .