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Yes 176 55.52%
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Old 12-26-2004, 06:34 PM   #11
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Default History In The Making...

Most of the time any progress made in drug-reform is done in baby steps and not overnight.

Our baby steps this year were adding more 'medical marijuana' states onto our totem pole, winning other related initiatives for medical marijuana, and landing landmark supreme court cases that could make or break things for years to come.

I think 2005 has much in store for us. Hey, I still am keeping a positive light about this. I have smoked regularly for six years and have only been hasseled about it once by the police, and have yet to be arrested.

Let's keep up the good fight till the end, the road may be long, but the grass is green on the other side.
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Old 12-26-2004, 07:55 PM   #12
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Yeah, I think we gained some ground in 2004. The fight ebbs and flows, we gain some ground and then the prohibs react and beat us back a little. I agree that the issues before the courts, Raich and Alaska, are very important, but not life threatening.

New "drugged" driving laws and pressure to drug test just about everybody may backlash on the prohibs, i hope. It seems like the harder they push, the more real ground we gain.

They have brainwashed their followers beyond reproach. Something has to smack them right between the eyes to even get their attention. They're the mindless followers that want everything cut and dried and sorted out nice and neat by our government.

The religious right is about as far out of reality as our govmnt and they are a very persistant opponent. I think their problem is that they aren't allowed to do it so they don't want us to use pot. I respect their right to not smoke, I wish they would respect my right to smoke marijuana. So much for the teachings of Jesus.

Keep the faith, Bush may push everyone over the brink and bring this thing to a head.
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Old 12-27-2004, 02:44 AM   #13
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They have brainwashed their followers beyond reproach. Something has to smack them right between the eyes to even get their attention. They're the mindless followers that want everything cut and dried and sorted out nice and neat by our government.

The religious right is about as far out of reality as our govmnt and they are a very persistant opponent. I think their problem is that they aren't allowed to do it so they don't want us to use pot. I respect their right to not smoke, I wish they would respect my right to smoke marijuana. So much for the teachings of Jesus.

Keep the faith, Bush may push everyone over the brink and bring this thing to a head.
I have a couple of questions:

Who are these "mindless followers" you speak of?

Rather than demonize needlessly, perhaps it'd be better to court other members of the GOP? ...And I ask this as someone who voted for Bush.
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Old 12-27-2004, 01:01 PM   #14
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Default hmmmm

If you want to say 2004 was a horrible year for Marijuana, fine, but all that matters to me is, 2004 was the year I began my relationship with the green dragon, and I'll never turn away from him again.

20 years = Total Regulation of Marijuana (just my opinion)
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Old 12-27-2004, 04:58 PM   #15
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Default You're Asking Me To Kiss A Republicans Arse?

Mike, I am sorry but I am not about to kiss a political party's butt just to schmooze them into possibly changing their stances on drug law-reform.

And before you go off saying how I am a bleeding heart liberal let me first tell you I am a political independent. I pick and choose (even write-in candidates if I have to) whom I wish to be in office and I feel both the Republicans and the Democrats have done little to nothing in the area of drug-law reform or legalization.

Most of this fight has been done by non-profit organizations such as NORML, MPP, and others such as private donors like Soars.

I think it strange that as a Senior Member of this board you vote for a candidate who has spent four harsh years prosecuting the sellers of bongs and pipes, arresting medical marijuana patients, sending government cronies to illegally quash drug-reform initiatives, and much more.

I think I'd rather stick to doing what I have always done. Take up a toke and fight the good fight. I will never kiss a politicians ass for my right to light up.
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Old 12-27-2004, 05:20 PM   #16
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We're winning.

We win every time someone (in essence) throws the middle finger up to the man and takes a hit of the sweet cannabis leaf. Freedom isn't extended to us through a formal process of legislation. It's not a gift from the government to the people. Freedom is taken by individuals, regardless of the pressures of society (or the law). When you decide to do what you want to do instead of living in fear of what others might do to you . . . that's when you're free.

So every time you exercise your freedom by ripping a bong, or smoking a bowl with a couple of friends remember that your act of defiance in itself is a small victory. Start with your small victories and work up from there.

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Old 12-28-2004, 12:24 AM   #17
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Mike, I am sorry but I am not about to kiss a political party's butt just to schmooze them into possibly changing their stances on drug law-reform.
I'm not talking ass kissing, I'm talking about appealing to the GOP on the grounds of individual liberty, patient's rights, States' Rights, etc. To summarily dismiss an entire party, surely composed of some moralists, but also containing many clear-thinking and enlightened individuals, to me, is only asking to push our movement back.

What means more to you? Decrim, or sticking it to the evil Republicans? And for what, exactly? Do you honestly think we'll get anywhere without the GOP? If you do, then I'm sorry to say that you're living in a dream world, man. It took bi-partisanship to pass the drug laws; it’ll take the same to reform them. End o’ story.

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And before you go off saying how I am a bleeding heart liberal let me first tell you I am a political independent. I pick and choose (even write-in candidates if I have to) whom I wish to be in office and I feel both the Republicans and the Democrats have done little to nothing in the area of drug-law reform or legalization.
I can’t recall a single time on this board where I’ve seriously referred to anyone as a “bleeding heart liberal” for the simple act of disagreeing with me. Believe it or not, but on this board, my rightwing foreign policy views and domestic disdain for massive amounts of individual and corporate entitlements aren’t exactly in the mainstream! So I’m pretty used to disagreeing, but it’s cool.

But yeah, I’m right with ya as far as being “independent.” Voting for Bush was my first ever time voting Republican – I usually tend to vote Libertarian in state and local elections.

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Most of this fight has been done by non-profit organizations such as NORML, MPP, and others such as private donors like Soars.
Yep. But do these groups not usually back one of the two major party candidates? I’m just saying that are odds can only improve if we court others into the cause.

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I think it strange that as a Senior Member of this board you vote for a candidate who has spent four harsh years prosecuting the sellers of bongs and pipes, arresting medical marijuana patients, sending government cronies to illegally quash drug-reform initiatives, and much more.
I'm only a Senior Member because I have no good ideas for an alternate title...

Maybe it’s that I realize that drug law reform will not come from the federal level, and therefore it’s foolish to base one’s vote for president on such? Or, perhaps, I realized that we’re in the midst of a shooting war, and that I had more important issues upon which to base my vote.

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I think I'd rather stick to doing what I have always done. Take up a toke and fight the good fight. I will never kiss a politicians ass for my right to light up.
Ok. But who’s talking about ass-kissing? I’m talking about lobbying. You act as if all Republicans share the same views on every issue, and in truth, nothing could be more inaccurate. Look at Rudy and Ah-nold! calling for the GOP to move more to the Left, while simultaneously supporting gay marriage AND *gasp!*, some measure of drug law reform! Yikes!

If we insist on ignoring the two major parties, we might as well just give it up right now. Nothing gets done in this country without compromise, my friend.

Again, what's worth more: your pride, or your right to toke?
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Old 12-28-2004, 12:26 AM   #18
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Freedom isn't extended to us through a formal process of legislation. It's not a gift from the government to the people. Freedom is taken by individuals, regardless of the pressures of society (or the law).
Exactly.

The US government does not grant us rights, it is WE who grant the government power.
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Old 12-28-2004, 01:21 AM   #19
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Whoa, hey, look at that! Mike mysteriously has a title! I wonder where that came from?



I voted yes in the poll.
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Old 12-28-2004, 01:37 AM   #20
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Whoa, hey, look at that! Mike mysteriously has a title! I wonder where that came from?
HAHAHAH

Hey Mikey, let's hand out some of Karl Marx's writings this weekend.

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