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dedbr

The an sewer? An sewer? What kind of toilet facility is that? Is that close to a monsewer, like the French say?

Sorry hookah........


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Buzzby

That would assume that there have always been both chickens and eggs. Having found no chickens fossils in the Pre-Cambrian strata, there is no evidence that this would be true.

No points for you!

Every large an colony has an an sewer. Small ones have an an latrine.

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grillmeats

You are So Wise Master!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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dedbr

So ? Where does the abbatoir come into this discussion? Or does it?


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Buzzby

That would be grillmeats' department. It is the gateway between Chicken and Fried Chicken. Eggs need not apply.

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THC Fiend

If "egg" means egg then the egg came first... cause of them fish.

If "egg" means an egg laid by a chicken then the chicken came first, cause no egg could exist without a chicken.

If "egg" means an egg out of which a chicken is hatched then the egg came first.



Every chicken had to hatch from an egg and every egg had to be shot out of a chicken. This gives rise to an infinite series. Humans are always fooled by the illusion of time. Even if you consider evolution... which happens over millions of years... any egg laid by a chicken would have to be a chicken and any chicken egg must have been laid by a chicken. The changes of evolution are so subtle that you still can't deny an infinite series... or something... all the way back to when that first fish crawled out of the water with his mutant fish hands...

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Answer # 2.... God created the chicken. Man, religion sure makes these things easy.

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Answer # 3.... If you poor half a glass into an empty glass then the glass is half full. If you poor half a glass out of a full glass then the glass is half empty.

What were we talking about again?

The glass is just too big! Wait what?

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Buzzby

However you care to define "chicken", the creature that laid the first egg out of which a chicken hatched wasn't a chicken. Ergo, the first chicken egg preceded the first chicken. Thus spake my guru. So mote it be!

THC Fiend

Evolution occurs over millions of years. A chicken egg didn't drop out of a non-chicken *all of a sudden* one day. It's not like one day a human will give birth to a flying super monkey with four testicles... it'll take a million years before that kind of evolutionary perfection is achieved. The difference in evolutionary traits between the chicken hatched out of an egg and the creature that lays the egg would be so subtle that you couldn't call that creature anything BUT a chicken. Trace these subtle variations over millions of years and there will be noticeable differences...

but again... look at the first part of the post. IT ALL DEPENDS ON HOW YOU DEFINE THE EGG IN QUESTION. If the definition of the egg is "an egg laid from a chicken" then the chicken would come first. If the egg is defined as one out of which hatches a chicken... then the egg came first.

Buzzby

That's not true. However you care to define "chicken", the first one had parents who weren't chickens. If you change your definition of "chicken" to include those parents, then the first one of them emerged from a non-chicken. Wherever you draw the line between "chicken" and "non-chicken", the first chicken hatched out of an egg laid by a non-chicken.

THC Fiend

You're right that at some point a line needs to be drawn. Otherwise I'd have to conclude that fish were chickens. I'm saying that the changes are so subtle over natural selection that to pin-point exactly where the chicken started and another species ends is delving into complete obscurity.

It all comes down to how the egg is defined. If I were to say the egg, in order to be a chicken egg, had to be laid by a chicken... then the chicken came first.

Another way is to say the egg must HATCH a chicken for it to be considered a chicken egg. In this case the egg came first. But there's no way to pin point when this transition occurred... because evolution doesn't work by a Blue Jay laying a chicken egg one day.

If the egg in question isn't defined as a chicken egg, then the egg came first... because fish were laying eggs long before there was life on land.