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View Poll Results: Who engineered 9/11?
The Neo-Cons & Bush. 20 32.26%
Al-Qaeda. 17 27.42%
I have no Idea what the truth is. 21 33.87%
Anyone who questions what they tell us is a traitor. 4 6.45%
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Old 07-07-2006, 04:11 PM   #31
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I read that site. I don't believe in the trinity because it is not in the bible. It was made up, and that's fact. Jehovah/Yahweh is just a name for God. Yahweh translated is Jehovah.

Ok, I wont go off topic anymore....LOL
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Old 07-07-2006, 04:18 PM   #32
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I read that site. I don't believe in the trinity because it is not in the bible. It was made up, and that's fact. Jehovah/Yahweh is just a name for God. Yahweh translated is Jehovah.

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It was made up, and that's fact.
Not that I'm a Catholic or necessarily believe in the trinity, it sounds like you take the bible literally and thats ok too. It's too bad the bible doesn't mention abortion or same sex couples.
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Old 07-07-2006, 04:21 PM   #33
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Not that I'm a Catholic or necessarily believe in the trinity, it sounds like you take the bible literally and thats ok too. It's too bad the bible doesn't mention abortion or same sex couples.

Actually, I'm not sure what I really believe anymore, but that's a long story I wont go into here.

I don't take it to be 100% literal, but the trinity really isn't in the Bible anywhere....

I just have a hard time believing in the trinity. It makes no sense. God sent his son to die for our sins. He didn't send himself.

Example: I can send my daughter somewhere. She is part of me because she is my daughter, but she isn't me.

I try to use logic more than anything.
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Old 07-14-2006, 05:06 AM   #34
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Seven people with the same names were found alive... That's no evidence whatsoever. People of all ethinc backgrounds broker in stolen identities for illegal entry into the U.S. and other countries. If an identity is stolen, that means there is a victim.

I want to know what evidence you have that makes you so positive these people that were known to have gone to flightschool int he U.S. with intent to learn to fly a passenger jet, identified at the originating airports of the flights that crashed into the Pentagon and WTC,were already on terrorist watch lists and had written false identites and written plans in their residences are not those that hijacked planes on September 11.
Better yet, if you have such compelling evidence, why haven't you been rushing to the FBI, the CIA, the NSA or someone else to clear the names of these innocent people?


This is such bullshit. Now you're parroting the Loose Change video.
The fireproof insulation on the trusses was blown off by the severity of the impact, leaving the steel exposed to the intense heat from the burning jet fuel, paper, carpeting, wooden furniture, and anything else flammable within the vicitnity.
When one truss heated to the point of losing structural soundness, the floors started falling. The weight of the floors above it created a domino effect that brought the building down. STRAIGHT DOWN.

Now... You drop the MILLIONS OF TONS of debris that was the collapsing North & South towers within the vicinity of another building, and you tell me how it will affect the structure of that building.

Please don't tell us you're an expert because you watch shows on demolition on Discovery or TLC or whatever. I've seen a building implosion live and in person. It doesn't make me an expert on demolitions by any means.

I'll not quote the rest of your nearly verbatim quoting of Loose Change. It only cheapens the discussion.


How, exactly, are you less free today than you were five years ago, before that tragic day? What restrictions are you facing that weren't there?

OK, if you fly commercially, you have to wait in a longer line to get through security.... If you're calling someone in the middle east, the NSA might be recording your phone calls....

If you're not colluding with terrorists or terrorist suspects, your only restriction is the TSA monkey that jacks with your luggage at the airport and makes you take off your shoes so they can scan them for explosives. Big fucking deal.
Nobody is preventing you from pursuing your dreams any more than they were five years ago. You can still get in your car (or on a plane, a train, a bus or a boat) and travel wherever you choose within the country. You can leave the country if you have proper identification (birth certificate, military paperwork or passport). You can go to school, get a job, eat, drink and be merry.
Maybe I missing this Bush-imposed stranglehold on the population of the United States. Please explain it to me.

There's a lot I could discuss to refute what you said but it will all just be going around in circles. I'm not trying to make anyone angry and I see that I'm doing that. I'm a firm believer in science and that's all I believe at this point. What happened, by the definition of those in charge of the 9/11 commission, is physically 100% impossible. I'm just saying that what we were told was a lie, no matter who is responsible. That is really my original point.

But what you don't understand is how the freedom of anyone who is as liberal as I am has been destroyed because of 9/11. If you're a beer-guzzling, football loving, good ol' boy, then you have nothing to worry about. I on the other hand have pissed on the bible ever since I was old enough to aim and live in an area where people go to church three times a day just so they can say they have more jesus points than their neighbor. Not to mention most people think I'm from Israel or some place near by. Everyone who meets me thinks I'm Jewish or middle eastern...or even worse in this day and age...Mexican (yes I am joking...). Freedom to me is being allowed to live your life the way you want to. I cannot live my life without worrying about some ethnocentric asshole trying to screw it up for me.

I face nothing close to oppression and I feel that my struggle for freedom is much less important than those who face real oppression but why should anyone have to feel like they're wrong for living how they feel is right, especially in a country founded on religious freedom. 9/11 is an excuse for everyone, even my parents who I always thought were total libertarians, to HATE those who are different from "us." And with the diversity of this country racially and ethnically, "us" usually comes down to what god you worship. I worship a god with no name or title and because of that my freedom has been shit upon since 9/11.

Ask anyone who is an ultra-liberal humanitarian like I am and they will tell you that people they can trust are few and far between because we feel like targets for having compassion and raising our voice when we're told to shutup.
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Old 07-14-2006, 05:40 AM   #35
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That's the beauty about science nothing is impossible, cause the buildings physically fell to the ground, just alot faster than gravity would have if it naturally collapsed
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Old 07-14-2006, 07:33 AM   #36
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Your pppoll is well intentioned but incomplete.

9/11 was planned well before Bush took office and without, IMCFO, his direct involvement.

Here is some more info:

http://www.propagandamatrix.com/arch...knowledge.html

http://www.the7thfire.com/9-11/911_h...ace_of_NWO.htm

http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/NWO/Hollywood_911.htm

http://www.theinsider.org/news/article.asp?id=0311
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