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Old 09-10-2006, 09:26 AM   #31
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I wanted to add this link about Larry Silverstien, owner of WTC7 admitting that he agreed to let the destruction of the building happen...

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We HAD Osama...
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Old 09-10-2006, 02:14 PM   #32
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DaDornata, have you actually experienced the government being horrible to you first hand or are you just mad paranoid from reading all this stuff online?
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Plains...

They don't use asbestos fire-proofing in kerosone-burning heaters...and they never suffer from "melting".
I'm sorry. You lost me on this one.
Ok, I'm not good enough at math to actually disprove or prove any theory on this one.
But I agree with my source that I find it hard to believe anybody can know how long it took to actually fall down. Frank Greening did his own calculations and they seem reasonable as well.
http://www.debunking911.com/freefall.htm
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You have your sources, I have mine.
It just seems like pulling teeth to get you to post yours.
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My sources don't try and attack the integrity of their opponents though, usually that's a sign of weakness and desperation to convince another individual.
Now, I know that the screw loose folks get a bit rude...But I ignore that and actually pay attention to the purported facts they are alleging.

As for the background on Jones and his scholars...I don't consider that attacking their integrity, Since they are just talking about their past papers and their credentials. Seems reasonable to me to know the background of the "experts" and why this paper "proving" something wasn't submitted to a credible, on topic peer review process.
I guess I will wait for the "real" peer review, since Jones said he would submit it. Why didn't he do that the first time, though? That's what makes me go "hmm"...

I don't mind being proven wrong on this subject. I have an open mind. But don't ask me to take any "leaps of faith". Don't ask me to connect the dots. You see, I got tired of folks asking me to do that recently. Bush with the Iraq war, torture...NSA...

I'm not about to take a leap of faith for anyone right now. You want to throw words like "proof" around, you actually have to prove it.

I got tired of "it makes sense then..." and "It's not too big of a leap to conclude" coming from those trying to disprove the official stance about this subject.

That's why I know as much as I do about the official version as well as all the theories. I started researching myself because boy did I have questions.
Still do have questions, just haven't found any smoking gun and a lot of the places I have run across (loose change) is easily debunked, which then makes it harder for those seriously trying to find valid alternate theories to be listened to or taken seriously.
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If you havent voted yet, there are now THREE new more moderate options...I apologize to everyone that was forced before to choose the original questions. I realize many of you now may wish to go back and vote for the new other options...This isn't meant to be scientific, but a "pulse" check on the issue and a diaolouge starter!!
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I'm sorry. You lost me on this one.

Ok, I'm not good enough at math to actually disprove or prove any theory on this one.
But I agree with my source that I find it hard to believe anybody can know how long it took to actually fall down. Frank Greening did his own calculations and they seem reasonable as well.
http://www.debunking911.com/freefall.htm

It just seems like pulling teeth to get you to post yours.

Now, I know that the screw loose folks get a bit rude...But I ignore that and actually pay attention to the purported facts they are alleging.

As for the background on Jones and his scholars...I don't consider that attacking their integrity, Since they are just talking about their past papers and their credentials. Seems reasonable to me to know the background of the "experts" and why this paper "proving" something wasn't submitted to a credible, on topic peer review process.
I guess I will wait for the "real" peer review, since Jones said he would submit it. Why didn't he do that the first time, though? That's what makes me go "hmm"...

I don't mind being proven wrong on this subject. I have an open mind. But don't ask me to take any "leaps of faith". Don't ask me to connect the dots. You see, I got tired of folks asking me to do that recently. Bush with the Iraq war, torture...NSA...

I'm not about to take a leap of faith for anyone right now. You want to throw words like "proof" around, you actually have to prove it.

I got tired of "it makes sense then..." and "It's not too big of a leap to conclude" coming from those trying to disprove the official stance about this subject.

That's why I know as much as I do about the official version as well as all the theories. I started researching myself because boy did I have questions.
Still do have questions, just haven't found any smoking gun and a lot of the places I have run across (loose change) is easily debunked, which then makes it harder for those seriously trying to find valid alternate theories to be listened to or taken seriously.
I respect you Plains...and I totally understand your reasoning.

After doing some additional digging, I've found out that Dr. Jones actually did some "reasearch" to "prove" that Jewish peoples settled here in N. America (to support the Mormon Doctrine)...that was quite dismaying to read.

Dispite the fact that this guy has a questionable research history (he does get his funding from BYU -- which is rolling in dough btw)...I think that there are to many questions left unanswered...

The video of the molten steel dripping out of the towers, the thermite residue...all of this needs to be really examined.

I don't see myself as anti-american because I "question authority" and ask "who really benifits"...but rather a patriot in the image of our very own founding fathers.

Ask questions, start dialouges, discuss issues, reach conclusions...this is the America I wish to be a part of!
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Old 09-12-2006, 12:03 AM   #36
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I just noticed new security cameras at the local supermarket right outside pointed out into the parking lot. The days of the covert "meet me at the safeway" to get a bag or two will soon be gone...
I agree that the government is completely fucked. But you also have to realize that with out those cameras how would anyone be able to take down pedifiles and serial killers. So, I'm not totaly against all government. I think that alot of people get pissed off at the government and not a whole lot like to try and do something about those issues. But that is just my opinion.
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One of your options is Something about attacking iran. Doesnt matter what kind of threat they may be we will never ever do shit to them. You wanna know why? they let us borrow money from them to help us pay off our national debt, that bush decided to raise to something around the area of $125 billion
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This thread honestly reminds me of the tweakers outside of the liqour store in my city. The person who started this thread is SOOOOOOOOOOOO paranoid its not even amusing anymore. I mean dont get me wrong, i understand where your coming from. Its just not as bad as you think it is. We are not going to lose our freedom completely.

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