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**iamskfan** · 10-19-2006, 05:39 PM

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15130989/

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By Mike Stuckey
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Updated: 5:59 a.m. ET Oct 19, 2006

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Any hope we may have of keeping government, industry and criminals out of our personal business is scheduled to vanish completely in 18 months, privacy advocates say.

That’s when the federal government’s Real ID Act is to be fully in place, effectively setting up a national identification program by requiring states to adopt strict new high-tech standards for driver’s licenses and ID cards if they are to be accepted by federal authorities at places ranging from airports to U.S. courthouses.The act’s passage last year has crystallized the U.S. debate over the delicate balance between individual privacy rights and the government’s desire to securely identify travelers, applicants for federal benefits and anyone else who may pose a threat to its security or economy..

Real ID’s looming implementation has fueled sky-is-falling rhetoric from a broad spectrum of groups. They say it will push the United States firmly toward an Orwellian surveillance society in which the federal government can track our every move. The personal data of every American with a driver’s license or state ID card also will be far easier for businesses and criminals to obtain, cost billions to implement and do very little to fulfill its stated aim of increasing homeland security, they maintain.

"It is a very large step toward a national-identification, you-have-to-have-your-papers type of world," said Melissa Ngo, staff counsel of the Electronic Privacy Information Center.

On the other side, backers of Real ID say the technology is essential for government officials in the post-9/11 world to know who’s who. And security industry representatives say that the technology itself and policy decisions on how it’s implemented will do a fine job of protecting privacy, and could even enhance it.

Just what the 9/11 Commission ordered
“The Real ID Act is a direct implementation of one of the 9/11 Commission recommendations,” said Jeff Lungren, spokesman for House Judiciary Chairman Rep. James Sensenbrenner, R-Wisc., the legislation’s key sponsor. “There’s a ton of misconceptions that have been promulgated by the opponents from the get-go. It’s unfortunate that they’re continuing to do so.”

The thinking behind Real ID is that since the 9/11 hijackers were allowed through airport security with legitimate state-issued driver’s licenses or ID cards, the standards that states use to grant the cards must be tightened. Those standards are spelled out in a 1,767-word section of the act and require, in addition to the holder’s name, gender, date of birth and residential address, a digital photograph, “physical security features” to prevent fraud, and the ability to be accessed by “machine-readable technology.” But it’s what lies beneath those features that raises the specter of Big Brother for privacy advocates and budget concerns for state governments. In what some critics see as an unvarnished bid to also control illegal immigration, the act requires that states go to extraordinary lengths to verify the identities of people to whom they issue cards, ensuring that cardholders are in the country legally and verifying their Social Security numbers. The states must keep this proof on file for seven to 10 years, and they must maintain a database with all driver’s license information that can be accessed by all the other states. The act also bars drivers from holding a license in more than one state at a time.

Precisely how the language of the Real ID Act is to be carried out at the practical level is in the hands of the Department of Homeland Security, which is in “the process of developing the draft regulations,” according to DHS spokesman Jarrod Agen. “The best timeline I can give is that we should have those out for public comment by the end of the year.” States are antsy to see the rules because the law calls for the new licenses to be issued as of May 11, 2008, which doesn’t leave a lot of time for the major changes that will be required in some DMVs....

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This is an act that was passed last year to allow drivers liscenses and ID's to have special technology in them to help track your every move (or so I see it as)

What do you think about it? Is this an infringement of your right to privacy? What about the biomed micro chip program they are looking into. Would you participate? How do you feel about it?

I feel they have gone too far a long time ago. I feel it isn't the American's they should be keeping track of. Just another way for our government to strive towards extreme and complete control.

innervision311 · 10-19-2006, 06:19 PM

Let's all sit back and watch our rights evaporate...

[youtube]igycXBseoAg[/youtube]

You know when you put together the ability to track us with the Real ID cards, with the PATRIOT act, suspension of habeus corpus, the torture bill, NSA scandal, and deals with Halliburton for what are essentially concentration camps...things are starting to look a weeeeee bit hairy....

skidoo · 10-19-2006, 06:22 PM

I don't think it's so much a question of whether or not they've gone too far. My problem is that it's just dumb.

I mean, I'm pretty confident that the motivation behind the new regulations is sincere concern. It's not really a national ID card, so much as it is an attempt to make it more difficult for illegal immigrants to get driver's licenses.

That having been said, I think it's going to be completely ineffective. Illegal immigration isn't going to be stymied by a shiny new driver's license.

skidoo · 10-19-2006, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by innervision311

You know when you put together the ability to track us with the Real ID cards, with the PATRIOT act, suspension of habeus corpus, the torture bill, NSA scandal, and deals with Halliburton for what are essentially concentration camps...things are starting to look a weeeeee bit hairy....

LMAO @ this and Olberman. "NSA scandal?" lol

Olberman says habeas corpus has never before been suspended in the US? That's just flat wrong. And if he can't get that right....

These debates are important, but spouting ad-hominem assertions, half-truths, and outright lies doesn't do anyone any good.

Frojoe · 10-19-2006, 11:02 PM

I don't know about the rest of you but this is getting scary. They just suspended Habeas Corpus and acted like it was no big deal. That is one of our most fundemental protections. I feel like I need to do somthing. I wish there was a protest in boston, i would take the bus in, maybe I'll write some letters.

skidoo · 10-19-2006, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Frojoe

I don't know about the rest of you but this is getting scary. They just suspended Habeas Corpus and acted like it was no big deal. That is one of our most fundemental protections. I feel like I need to do somthing. I wish there was a protest in boston, i would take the bus in, maybe I'll write some letters.

Dude, they didn't suspend it for U.S. citizens. And trust me, they're not coming after you. :-)

dreamer · 10-20-2006, 10:15 AM

this is the pacifist age, so scared they have to watch everybody....
i hate this government, 18 months? i dont have much time to get out....
i will refuse to partake in real i.d. and anything else this government tries to pull on me.

.....pussies

Jake · 10-20-2006, 01:14 PM

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Dude, they didn't suspend it for U.S. citizens. And trust me, they're not coming after you. :-)

Naw dude, they legally can. The Military Commissions Act of 2006 apparently only affects "enemy combatants" or "terrorists" but read the Patriot Act, and you'll learn that you citizenship can be revoked and you can be re-labeled as an enemy combatant if you BREAK ANY US CRIMINAL LAW

skidoo · 10-20-2006, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Jake

Naw dude, they legally can. The Military Commissions Act of 2006 apparently only affects "enemy combatants" or "terrorists" but read the Patriot Act, and you'll learn that you citizenship can be revoked and you can be re-labeled as an enemy combatant if you BREAK ANY US CRIMINAL LAW

LMAO @ this! Er, can you quote the code that says this? Or maybe a news story that spells this out? Don't believe everything Michael Moore says. lol

dreamer · 10-20-2006, 05:09 PM

i dont beleive anything micheal moore says, i hate that guy. but i agree with jake because i read that section......

View Poll Results: Are they going to far?
Yes, they have gone to far a long time ago	26	83.87%
Yes, I believe the Real ID act is the straw that broke the camels back	3	9.68%
No, I believe they should keep track of everyone for the safety of the country	1	3.23%
No, I believe they should keep track, but find a different way to do it	1	3.23%
Voters: 31. You may not vote on this poll

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10-19-2006, 06:19 PM	#2
innervision311 Banned Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,313 Grams: 965.06 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	Let's all sit back and watch our rights evaporate... [youtube]igycXBseoAg[/youtube] You know when you put together the ability to track us with the Real ID cards, with the PATRIOT act, suspension of habeus corpus, the torture bill, NSA scandal, and deals with Halliburton for what are essentially concentration camps...things are starting to look a weeeeee bit hairy....

10-19-2006, 06:22 PM	#3
skidoo Senior Potiosectionist Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 415 Grams: 2,145.38 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	I don't think it's so much a question of whether or not they've gone too far. My problem is that it's just dumb. I mean, I'm pretty confident that the motivation behind the new regulations is sincere concern. It's not really a national ID card, so much as it is an attempt to make it more difficult for illegal immigrants to get driver's licenses. That having been said, I think it's going to be completely ineffective. Illegal immigration isn't going to be stymied by a shiny new driver's license.

10-19-2006, 11:02 PM	#5
Frojoe Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 596 Grams: 2,281.34 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	I don't know about the rest of you but this is getting scary. They just suspended Habeas Corpus and acted like it was no big deal. That is one of our most fundemental protections. I feel like I need to do somthing. I wish there was a protest in boston, i would take the bus in, maybe I'll write some letters.

10-20-2006, 10:15 AM	#7
dreamer i aint no jr member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,023 Grams: 3,672.86 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts Thanks: 21 Thanked 40 Times in 25 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	this is the pacifist age, so scared they have to watch everybody.... i hate this government, 18 months? i dont have much time to get out.... i will refuse to partake in real i.d. and anything else this government tries to pull on me. .....pussies

10-20-2006, 05:09 PM	#10
dreamer i aint no jr member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,023 Grams: 3,672.86 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts Thanks: 21 Thanked 40 Times in 25 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	i dont beleive anything micheal moore says, i hate that guy. but i agree with jake because i read that section......

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