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aze

We all know that vaporization produces a different high than smoking joints, but this poll is about which requires less herb to get you to the state that you want to be.

I'm only looking for answers from people who actually have experience with both vaporization and smoking joints, and have done it enough to have good dosage skill.

There are lots of people who say vaporization requires less material, but the only study I know of has shown vaporization and smoking are about equal. And some say smoking is more efficient. Please answer based on your experience, not what you heard.

 

blitzed_24/7

Vaping it requires yuo to use much less than smoking.

aze

Everyone says vaping is more efficient, but I wonder if they are just buying into the hype the vaporizer companies spew. The only scientific study I've seen says vaping and smoking are about the same in amount of THC delivered from a particular amount of herb. And that is my experience... that it's about the same.

Please when answering think about your actual experiences, not just what you think should be true.

blitzed_24/7

I smoked .2 of some nice grapefruit and I was extremely half and flying.
I also used some mids and I smoked .2 as well and I felt real nice. Something that would ahve taken about .7 to fell.

And not to mention that the vapes healthier on you and you can take bigger hits with it because it goes smoother than smoke.Which inturn will make you even higher.

o ya im very high and sorry if it doesn't make sense bc it does to me

aze

The reasoning goes like this... yes smoking burns off some of the THC so more gets to you in a vape. But because the vapes don't get as hot some of the actives that come out in the smoke are not delivered. And the actives may condense out of the vapor onto the walls of the vape device or the walls of the bag before reaching your lungs.

 

chunk

You arent looking at the whole picture here buddy. The reason vaping is more efficient is because if done properly, every bit of THC goes into your lungs via a whip or bag. And when you arent "smoking" out of the vap, you ARENT continuously burning the weed. A joint on the other hand is always lit (i.e. always burning weed).

THATS why people say vaping is more efficient.

Here is the general consensus (with my experience) along with an explanation:

(from least efficient to most efficient)

1) Joints/blunts - When you arent puffing, the weed is still burning off into the air.

2) Bongs/bubblers/spoons - when you arent smoking or hitting, the amber will die out after a few seconds so you get a pretty good bang for your buck out of your weed.

3) Vaporizer - When you arent "smoking", niether is the weed. You get the most of the weed (again, thats only if its done correctly at the right temp)



EDIT: So now you think its because some of the THC is being left in the vaping machine instead of going into your lungs? hahah! C'mon man, the amount that gets left behind is pretty damn miniscule. I dont think its enough to fuss about.

aze

Chunk, I agree with most everything you write. But that still doesn't tell us what we're losing by vaping... there are several factors that reduce the amount of actives that reach your lungs with vapes

1. Sidestream vapes leaking out of the devices. This is a major problem with the Vapirs and a minor problem many other devices. Even with the whip style ones some vapor can leak out the end in between puffs... it takes a few seconds for the herb to cool or heat up between puffs and during that time the vapors are going out the end unless it's a handsfree model. Similarly with bowls an imperfect seal between the heat gun and bowl can leak.

2. Condensation of the actives... doesn't happen in a joint as much because there's not much distance from the cherry to the mouth.

3. Most vaporizer users seem to not hold their vapor inhalations as long or as deep as people taking a hit off a joint. Towards the end of a load the vape has much less THC than smoke, so most people don't bother holding it in as deeply or as long.

4. As everyone knows vaporization gives less CBNs and more THC. If the CBNs are important in getting you "where you want to be" then you would need to vape more.

5. It's possible that some THC isn't released at vaporization temperatures, but is only released through burning. E.g. THC that is trapped inside the leaves can't be vaporized because the leaf material surrounding it doesn't vaporize. This is just a theory on my part.

The point is that trying to figure this out with theory isn't very useful because there are many theoretical factors on both sides... experience is what's important here and that's what the poll is about.

5drive

There is no concrete answer to 'which is more efficient?'. It depends on different factors that vary with the individual, the product, the equipment. You get pretty much the same amount of THC with either method. One way you lose a little with combustion, and the other way you lose a little because some vapor doesn't make to the mouthpiece. If one way is more efficient than the other, it's not enough to be concerned about. Do you lose CBN's with vaping? Probably not if your temp is high enough. There needs to be some scientific testing on the vaporization points of CBNs to determine that. Is there a difference between the high of vaping vs. smoking? No doubt. More of a laid back, couchlock type high with smoking. Is some of that due to not getting CBNs vaped? Possibly. Is some of that due to not getting toxins like carbon monoxide when you vape? No doubt. Is benzene (released at <400F) part of the smoking high? How about toluene, which is the solvent in airplane glue? I don't know, but I prefer to avoid them. My lungs are also much happier now that I vape instead of smoke. For most vapers, it's not so much about efficiency or a better high, it's about a much healthier way to get your THC. And if you like the high from both types of ingestion, then do both, depending on how you want to feel at the time.

Herbania

It's been my experience my weed lasts 50% longer. I find the high much better in my opinion. It seems more intense and lasts longer.The high seems to be a bit more visual also. I actually get more energy after I vape as opposed to less after smoking, this could just be me though. since I'm a medical user I like not being couch locked all day like I tend to get while smoking. The question is about joints, I think vaping is much more effective/efficient than smoking a joint. As stated before, you lose a LOT of smoke sidestream from joints. Unless in a social setting, I almost never roll a joint. A good airtight glass bong is the only smoking method comparable to vaping I think.
Response to ASE's remarks:
1. As far as I know, only the vapir has this leak problem. I dont own one, but those who do usually tape it up. I use a whip style, the vapolution, and have never experience loss of vapor. But the bowls of a vapolution are pretty small, so I'm not looking to get several hits, typicaly 2-3 big hits from a bowl. I've been experimenting with using smaller and small amounts, I dont pack the thing tightly at all.
2.Condensation of the actives, probably a lot less than you think. It also depends on the smoker, if you let it sit, maybe it's a tiny problem. I tend to get my hits fairly fast and clear the whip, so I dont think it's much of a problem.
3. The length one holds in a hit is irrelevent to the discussion honestly. It's a personal choice, some hold it in a long time, some dont.
4.If this is true, then I dont miss the CBNs much.
5. May be a problem if the user doesn't grind the herb up and pack the bowl loose enough for proper airflow. When I first started using mine I just put little nuggets in it, and wasted weed. Now I grind it up/break it up well and get very powerful hits.

Drawbacks from my experience using a whip include;
1. there is a learning curve, unless someone starts you off it can be frustrating learning how to hit one at first. This makes whips a poor choice for smoking in an inexperienced group or for vaping with more than 1 or 2 others.
I never tried a bag, so I cant really comment on that.
2. Some use pot to help them sleep, I do myself. I found that after vaping I'm a bit amped for about an hour or so afterwards and for me it isn't a good idea to vape before I go to bed. If I do I usually smoke a small bowl before I sleep.

three benefits not mentioned.
1. It's cleaner, no ash to get on your stuff, your fingers, and your clothes. Just get a jar to save the AVB.
2. AVB, some just throw it away, I save it. I cook it up. It takes a ton more than cooking with regular weed, but I look at it as a bonus high. I've done it twice so far and got a pleasant buzz from it.
3. Vaping smells a lot less than smoking and the smell seems to go away faster. Doesn't stink up the whole house.

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vern

i believe in another thread nornerator said that he could get high using .1 grams of kb. put that in your pipe and smoke it....you might be able to get a rip.