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glorious · 03-14-2008, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by SpiralArchitect

Why are they ridiculous? They aren't part of YOUR culture, so of course it's going to seem odd for you, that's called being ethnocentric, of course you wouldn't approve of it.

Because a lot of these ancient ceremonies (maybe some still exist) were performed on boys and girls, not men and women. Maybe I am basing this on our own culture, it just seems in these situations they are not sexually mature enough to even have sex, let alone have sex that is forced. The movie I'm talking about the girl was 12. I'm pretty sure a 12 year old in India is just like 12 year olds here, still a child...still innocent. Same with your samarui example. You even said they are boys.

I try to not be ethnocentric. I'm very interested in other cultures and try to look at the world from an non-biased perspective. I don't know, like I said, I'm all for experimentation. This experimentation occurs from my choices though. In those examples forced intercourse is taking place (and they are young kids). This is much different then experimenting with a dildo or partaking in intercourse under your own will....

negaDuck · 03-14-2008, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by SpiralArchitect

Trocisp, Thats 2 words actually. It might work in some context, but not in encompassing both male and female properties.

Ambiguous means having more than one meaning. Besides, their is nothing sexual about it.

I can be a straight male and encompass female properties without being ambiguous, or homosexual - I would just be transcending gender - we don't have any words like this that don't imply negative connotations.

This is kinda along those lines...though some do tend to see it as a derogatory thing

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Originally Posted by urbandictionary.com

3. metrosexual

A new name for something quite old. Men with taste & style who know about fashion, art, and culture have always existed. In past centuries, these kinds of men were in tha uppercrust of society (more leisure time). Technology has enabled men with more leisure time, so less wealthy males can now fuss over their looks and aesthetics almost as much as women. An American Metrosexual is like your average European male. In France or Italy, men can be manly and work on cars and know about art and fashion at tha same time. They are cool with that and don't need some special name for tha less "masculine" side. In tha U.S. we think men all have to be eithrt dumb gorillas or homosexuals. There is some grey area! There is an emphasis on not being pretentious in america that itself becomes a kind of pretentiousness. Men who dabble in vanity or in lofty romantic concerns seem less like men when in fact, they are probably better lovers to women than their traditional counterpart.

"James Bond is very metro in a lot of ways. He aint no sissy but he has excellent taste."

found here

**dedbr** · 03-14-2008, 10:16 PM

Glori......

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I'm pretty sure a 12 year old in India is just like 12 year olds here, still a child

I think you'd be wrong though, Glori......A spoiled, American child could never compare their lives to that of a Indian child. Lifestyles, economic oppurtunity's and religion have forced many of them to grow up to the harsh reality's of life a lot faster than an American child.

Sorry Glori.....

I just don't think that's an apt comparison.

I could care less about the use of a dildo. Just as long as someone doesn't try to use it on me.....

....I could really care less what they do in the privacy of their own bedroom.

I do know this though; I think we're pretty safe if all they want to do is use a dildo...........If they pull out the leather and whips, I'd watch the children close...........

Some Where In Ded Land......Bunker City, U.S.A.......

glorious · 03-14-2008, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by dedbr

I think you'd be wrong though, Glori......A spoiled, American child could never compare their lives to that of a Indian child. Lifestyles, economic oppurtunity's and religion have forced many of them to grow up to the harsh reality's of life a lot faster than an American child.

First off, not every child in America is spoiled. Secondly, I agree that in some places children have to grow up faster. I don't think forced intercourse is a necessary approach for this process though

A 12 year old is still a 12 year old..bottom line. Whether you're a 12 year old growing up in India or in the states, you're probably not mature enough to engage in sex yet. Children being forced to have sex for a right of passage seems like an extreme way to make them grow up...

Trocisp · 03-14-2008, 10:53 PM

The only reason you see sex as an activity that one must be mature to engage in is because of your society.

Sex is nothing more than an act, one that can result in the birth of a child, yes. But no more than an act. One that shouldn't be engaged in by anyone who cannot grasp the consequenes of their actions, regardless of their age.

SpiralArchitect · 03-15-2008, 01:51 AM

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A 12 year old is still a 12 year old..bottom line. Whether you're a 12 year old growing up in India or in the states, you're probably not mature enough to engage in sex yet. Children being forced to have sex for a right of passage seems like an extreme way to make them grow up...

Trocisp's post hit the nail on the head. I'd like to add one that females can reproduce at 12 years old, and it's very likely that many many years ago being a mother in your teenage years wasn't far-fetched.

Nega, metrosexual still implies sexual behavior and usually makes people think of dudes who care way too much about their hair and appearance. Like I said before, because we don't have a word like this in our language it makes it almost impossible to grasp the concept, or at least 'discuss' it - hope that makes sense.

Trocisp · 03-15-2008, 02:33 AM

Historical Changes in the Transition to Parenthood
"Back in the 17 and 1800s, having a baby when you were 15, 16, and 17 years old was the norm."

That's just the easiest source I could find. I'm too lazy to link directly to the scientific articles.

RookieSmoker · 03-15-2008, 02:54 AM

I don't think anal stimulation would mean you're gay, but a dildo is a little over the edge in my opinion.

Jesus Petrucci · 03-15-2008, 06:07 AM

I don't care what culture you are, having sex with minors is one of the most wrong things you can do. Just because it's culture dosn't make it right. Americans use to own slaves, it was culture, dosn't make it right. And come on, giving it to some dude in the butt is less gay than putting something in yours.

Church · 03-15-2008, 03:41 PM

You sure about that?

I think everyone else would agree having sex with a man is no less gay, if not equal to or more so, than putting something up your butt.

Btw, Dream Theater fan by any chance?

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03-14-2008, 10:53 PM	#15
Trocisp Where did he go, George? Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 2,237 Diggs: 0 Grams: 24,205.06 Groans: 18 Groaned at 25 Times in 21 Posts Thanks: 444 Thanked 867 Times in 573 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	The only reason you see sex as an activity that one must be mature to engage in is because of your society. Sex is nothing more than an act, one that can result in the birth of a child, yes. But no more than an act. One that shouldn't be engaged in by anyone who cannot grasp the consequenes of their actions, regardless of their age. __________________ "No references to the need to fight terror can be an argument for restricting human rights." - *Vladimir Putin* "It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried." - *Sir Winston Churchill* "A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything." - *Friedrich Nietzsche* "Fashion is a form of ugliness so intolerable that we have to alter it every six months." - *Oscar Wilde* "I count him braver who overcomes his desires than him who overcomes his enemies." - *Aristotle*

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03-15-2008, 02:33 AM	#17
Trocisp Where did he go, George? Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 2,237 Diggs: 0 Grams: 24,205.06 Groans: 18 Groaned at 25 Times in 21 Posts Thanks: 444 Thanked 867 Times in 573 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	Historical Changes in the Transition to Parenthood "Back in the 17 and 1800s, having a baby when you were 15, 16, and 17 years old was the norm." That's just the easiest source I could find. I'm too lazy to link directly to the scientific articles.

03-15-2008, 02:54 AM	#18
RookieSmoker Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 331 Diggs: 0 Grams: 3,856.40 Groans: 5 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts Thanks: 17 Thanked 51 Times in 39 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	I don't think anal stimulation would mean you're gay, but a dildo is a little over the edge in my opinion.

03-15-2008, 06:07 AM	#19
Jesus Petrucci New Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 24 Diggs: 0 Grams: 499.65 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts Thanks: 7 Thanked 12 Times in 7 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	I don't care what culture you are, having sex with minors is one of the most wrong things you can do. Just because it's culture dosn't make it right. Americans use to own slaves, it was culture, dosn't make it right. And come on, giving it to some dude in the butt is less gay than putting something in yours.

03-15-2008, 03:41 PM	#20
Church New Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 99 Diggs: 0 Grams: 1,403.05 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts Thanks: 36 Thanked 13 Times in 8 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	You sure about that? I think everyone else would agree having sex with a man is no less gay, if not equal to or more so, than putting something up your butt. Btw, Dream Theater fan by any chance?

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