Dutch to ban the strong herb? 2 reports

Discussion in 'The Drug War Headline News' started by xxdr_zombiexx, Apr 8, 2004.

  1. xxdr_zombiexx xxdr_zombiexx

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    Dutch coffeeshops face ban on strong cannabis
    Expatica | 6 April 2004

    AMSTERDAM — Soft drugs such as the extra strong Dutch variant of cannabis and hash might soon be banned, forcing coffeeshops in the Netherlands to cut back on the products they offer. The Cabinet is set to discuss the proposal on Thursday.

    Research conducted by the Trimbos Institute for addiction indicates that the THC level — the workable agent in cannabis and hash — has increased significantly over the years, meaning that marijuana could now be considered a hard drug.

    Nederwiet is an extra strong variant of marijuana. It is grown in professionally-equipped greenhouses in the Netherlands and is often referred to as skunk. It is much in demand in Dutch coffeeshops.

    And in its annual Drugs Monitor report, the institute said last month that the THC level in Nederwiet has increased to 15 percent compared with 9 percent in 1999. The increase is due to the professional growing techniques.

    Justice Minister Piet Hein Donner and Health Minister Hans Hoogervorst are thus urging the Cabinet to conduct further research into THC levels, public news service NOS reported on Tuesday.

    A possible ban on very strong cannabis would force coffee shops to change their assortment of cannabis. Nederwiet would in future only be allowed to be sold if its THC content was significantly reduced.

    The Trimbos Institute said that between 2.5 and 3 percent of adult Dutch nationals regularly use cannabis. There are between 30,000 and 80,000 cannabis addicts and just 3,500 ask for help, it said.

    [zombienote: Cannabis addicts? It's not addictive. Some people might think they are addicted, but they aren't. Just histrionic. (Look it up.)]

    Donner and Hoogervorst are also calling for a tougher approach to the cross-border drug tourism. Border area municipalities and neighbouring countries have complained for years about the problem.

    The open supply of cannabis draws thousands of "drug tourists" from France, Belgium and Germany into Dutch border towns. This often results in high-speed car chases between the police and people trying to smuggle drugs back over the border.

    [zombienote: If they just come there to buy weed ONLY, they aren't buying drugs. Propaganda is everywhere. And now for something completely different: alcohol...]

    Meanwhile, the Cabinet is also moving to discourage alcohol use among young motorists by reducing the permitted level of alcohol for motorists who have had their driver's licence for less than five years.

    Transport Minister Karla Peijs intends to restrict beginning motorists to a blood alcohol level of just 0.2 rather than 0.5 percent. This means that motorists could be over the limit after one drink.

    An annual 325 road deaths occur as a result of alcohol and 25 percent of accidents are caused by young men aged between 18 and 24, accounting for 80 deaths each year, RTL reported. About 240,000 obtain a driver's licence each year.

    [Copyright Expatica News 2004]

    Dutch Government to Weigh Cannabis Clamp Down
    Yahoo! News | Tue Apr 6,11:00 AM ET

    AMSTERDAM (Reuters) - Tourists who flock to Amsterdam to smoke cannabis in its "coffee shops" without fear of prosecution may find their choice curtailed as part of a proposed review of liberal Dutch drug laws.

    The Dutch government is considering a ban on the sale of highly potent strains of cannabis under the proposed review, cabinet sources said on Tuesday.

    The center-right government in the Netherlands, where cannabis smokers can openly buy and smoke the drug in hundreds of government-regulated "coffee shops," is to discuss the proposed review in cabinet on Thursday.

    The government wants to determine if hashish and marijuana with a very high content of Tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), an active compound in cannabis, should be reclassified as "hard" rather than "soft" drugs, cabinet sources said.

    The Netherlands, where customers can order a vast array of cannabis from coffee shop menus, has reportedly seen a steep rise in THC levels in Dutch-grown cannabis due to refined growing methods.

    The government declined comment on reports it would consider banning the sale of Dutch grown "Nederwiet" with a high THC content under proposals in a so-called "Cannabis Letter" to parliament.

    Some doctors say cannabis use increases the risk of depression and schizophrenia but its use has been widely tolerated by the Dutch for decades. Coffee shops are prohibited from selling "hard drugs" and are carefully monitored.

    The Netherlands, the first country to legalise euthanasia, last year also became the first to make cannabis available as a prescription drug in pharmacies for chronically ill patients.

    [zombienote: So you will be able to arrange your own death if you are ill or allow a relative to die if this is best, but you cannot smoke good pot? Is the Netherlands Sovereignty being usurped by the US Federal Government, too? Sure sounds like it.]
  2. solutions solutions

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    Uhhhh No, that's not quite what the Trimbos Insitute says....

    On it's website (mainly in Dutch) the Trimbos Institute says "between 30,000 and 80,000 people (0,3% to 0,8% of the Dutch population) can be diagnosed as having a cannabis dependancy (according to the psychiatrical classification system DSM-3rd edition, whatever that may be), and that these people are "generally younger than 22"

    It says further: "It is unclear how many people can be considered as problematic cannabis users as there is no general definition. In comparison to nicotine, heroin and alcohol cannabis is hardly addictive ... no directly cannabis related death has been recorded in the Netherlands or other countries"

    What the 2 reports don't mention is that Netherweed has an average THC level of 15,2% compared to 6,6% for foreign weed, so strong it is indeed, yes sir.

    Banning strong weed does not have the support of the majority in parliament (PvdA, VVD and D'66 oppose such measures). The PvdA and D'66 even plea for complete legalization.

    Meanwhile the city council of Amsterdam has adopted a 'manifesto' urging legalization of marijuana cultivation. Calling on other city councils to follow their objections to the Cabinets plans.

    Worst case scenario there will be more research and possibly a limit to the amount of THC in weed allowed to be sold in coffeeshops. Though hopefully the cabinet will realize they don't want to create a black market for cannabis, what is exactly what was prevented by allowing sale in coffeeshops.
  3. xxdr_zombiexx xxdr_zombiexx

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    The DSM-III is the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual for Psychiatric Disorders, the "ICD" of Psychiatry.

    The 3rd Edition was replaced by the updated Fourth edition several years ago,(1994?) so the information on the Trimbos site is a bit out of date, but that's not an issue for the case in point.

    The DSM-II (Second Edition) had homosexuality listed as a mental disorder and that is now gone. Now we recognize that as simply ignorant.

    Cannabis dependency exists, but it is a very limited thing. It is a techincal diagnosis, meaning that there are I feel much of the focus on cannabis in the DSM is political, rather than overtly scientific, much as was the case with homosexuality.

    To the extent that the issues do exist, they are very marginal - only a few people truly meet the criteria, and those folk will almost surely meet the diagnosis of personality disorders as well.

    Discussion of Abuse Potential in some detail.
  4. Cassius Cassius

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    Why does higher levels of THC make marijuana a hard drug?

    If they increased the caffeine levels in Mountain Dew would that make it a hard drug? Or is it already? What about coffee?
  5. Grain Grain

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    and on that note, would grain alcohol be considered hard and beer soft?
  6. VoodooSoup VoodooSoup

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    Isn't a higher THC level in marijuana HEALTHIER? After all, this would mean that less substance would be smoked in order to obtain the same effects. How is this a BAD thing? It's like if they were to decrease the amount of nicotine in cigarettes so that tobacco smokers had to smoke MORE, and, in effect, be much more susceptible to the problems associated with tobacco smoking, only you would be afflicted by these health problems much sooner as opposed to later, if at all.
  7. jaman jaman

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    well that just busts my balls in two . :splat:
  8. fronana fronana

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    hard and wine/beer

    It is in this state(FL). You can sell wine and beer places you cant sell that hard.
  9. solutions solutions

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    Thanks for that information, I had no idea.

    It got discussed and it was agreed to do further research. No other measures have been agreed. The subject will be discussed in parliament next week, I'll keep y'all up to date, even if the only news will be that there is no news....

    Obviously this Cabinet is good for comedians and cartoonists, as it is so 50's. This cartoon is quite popular:

    Fokke & Sukke smoke Netherweed
    "we cannot deal with this any more!!" "let's switch to crack!"
  10. Rainbow Serpent Rainbow Serpent

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    They will lose a lot of money. I like to travel and would go to Amsterdam for the cannabis. If they make good quality cannabis hard to get, than I guess I'll go to a place with a better climate and more open space.
  11. solutions solutions

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    Final word on this is just in....

    Nederwiet is not a hard drug: minister
    Expatica - 23 may 2006

    The Dutch government continues to consider the Dutch cannabis known as 'Nederwiet' to be a soft drug, Health Minister Hans Hoogervorst said in a letter to parliament. Conceding the cannabis product has had stronger effects on users in recent years, the Minister said these effects were not so bad as to class Nederwiet as a hard drug. Hoogervorst warned earlier he would re-classify the cannabis if it was shown to be a health risk. A study by the national health institute RIVM suggested the drug's impact was not as serious as some people feared.

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