International Waters

Discussion in 'Legal Issues' started by killerz298, Mar 2, 2003.

  1. killerz298 killerz298

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    I got a question for you guys.

    I know on Long Island they have boats that go out into the water and they have casinos on them. Since it would be illegal to have a casino on Long Island they avoid this by sailing out into the water.

    What laws apply out there?

    Could someone set up a company where they owned a boat and took it out into international waters constantly and sold weed on it etc... And people could smoke and hang out etc..

    Would this be legal? If not why?
  2. hauptmann hauptmann

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    Hey
    I was born and raised on Long Island and this would never work lol. There are laws out there or else there would be a whole lot of pirates arrrrrr. Even with the gambling there are restrictions 18 & over etc. I havent heard of those cruises in a long time though either. If anyone tried this they would be in jail for a very long time. They could charge the person with Selling and Drug trafficking along with numerous other charges. I wish this was possible but sorry mate no luck.
  3. Island Bob Island Bob

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    i doubt its "legal" but theres nothing they can do about it...its international waters, who controls it? you could go out and shoot someone and they couldnt touch you


    haupmann you are wrong, there are casino cruises and you have to be 18 because the boat is licensed in the us....
  4. killerz298 killerz298

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    Well this is the point I was trying to get at. What exactly are the rules and regulations?

    Who is in control and/or can enforce their laws?
  5. Island Bob Island Bob

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    i wasnt really asking i was proving my point, no one controls it or makes the rules....they wouldnt call it international waters if it was governed by one country
  6. hauptmann hauptmann

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    These may be international waters, but there are still rules and laws governing them.

    http://slate.msn.com/id/1007689/

    Under federal law, the Coast Guard's mandate includes arresting traffickers even if they are on the high seas--that is, far outside any country's territorial boundaries.


    http://www.un.org/Docs/SG/SG-Rpt/ch3c-5.htm :


    In September 1994 and February 1995, at the request of the Commission on Narcotic Drugs, the Programme convened a working group on maritime cooperation to further international cooperation in combating illicit drug traffic by sea. The recommendations and principles adopted by the working group and endorsed by the Commission represent a milestone in efforts to contain the problem of illicit drug shipments that traverse international waters.

    You guys are mean wow, I was being nice
  7. Island Bob Island Bob

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    well yeah i suppose a cop could go out of state just to attempt to punish someone....this would probably be proportionally the same thing. you can pass all the laws you want to over the seas...you still cant govern them effectively
  8. teufelfisch teufelfisch

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    That makes me wonder - what does drug trafficking constitute? If the ship isn't headed anywhere in particular, but just sits there, while other ships go back and forth with fuel, food, fresh water, passengers, etc., is that trafficking?
  9. hauptmann hauptmann

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    Main Entry: 2traffic
    Function: verb
    Inflected Form(s): traf·ficked; traf·fick·ing
    Date: 1540
    intransitive senses : to carry on traffic
    transitive senses
    1 : to travel over <heavily trafficked highways>
    2 : TRADE, BARTER

    [ www.m-w.com ]

    You do not have to move to traffick, it just has to involve the drugs trading hands somewhere down the line.
  10. bloodshoteyez bloodshoteyez

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    man, if your out in international waters i doubt anyones going to care if your smoking a J. and whos gunna see you smokin it way out there? nobody...
  11. killerz298 killerz298

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    LOL .. did you read my first post? Do you even know what the question was when I started it?
  12. razzamatazz razzamatazz

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    Well assuming you kept the boat out there forever you would still have some problems like fuel and food as well as what to do when you have one of those bigass storms, besides the cops would eventually find out and what do you think would happen when those guys who came out to buy your weed went back to shore, the cops would be waiting for them. Also if your in international waters and making allot of money (dont know how you would get the pot out there) someone could just come out there and kill you and take it all, its really not a good idea.
  13. IceFire IceFire

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    Hmm, another interesting question.

    As far as I thought, the police can't do anything to you since you are on international waters, therefore their laws don't apply to you.

    Now I do believe you cannot kill or anything like that.

    But I don't see how they can get you for cannabis distribution out there.

    Now when the buyers return to US soil and waters, THEN they can be arrested for possession.

    Again, I am not sure. You might want to check with somoeone informative.

    I always thought the Coast Gaurd only gaurded the US coastal waters.

    If you went out far enough I doubt they can do anything.

    Regardless, it would require alot of planning and intelligence to pull this off.

    Suppose you were to set up a small business selling cannabis on a boat far into international waters, and you just stayed out there. Besides needing another manned supply boat to go back and forth resupplying you with fresh food, fuel, water, toilet paper and other essentials to keep your main boat running normally, you also have the problem of getting your pot supply to the main boat once you run out. You could always have trade with another boat that goes to the supplyer. You also need to worry about your clientel. How are you customers going to get to your boat. Sure, this could be a quiet thing with only other intelligent potheads. But they have to either rent a boat and take it out to meet you there. Or you will have to hire more workers to ferry people to and from your boat on smaller boats.

    Then there is risk of your workers being caught bringing the customers back to the country with the merchandise. If the customers had to travel in their own boat, then that reduces your risk.

    I really do wonder how this would work and the legal side of this.

    After all, shouln't international waters be completely netral? No countries laws apply there? Except for rape or murder, in which case you would be arrested by your own countries government once you returned to governed waters.
  14. Niteshift Niteshift

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    I don't know how I missed this thread before.


    There is a simpler way of answering this.

    The gambling boats go out beyond the limits of STATE waters.......that removes them from the state laws about gambling and federal law doesn't really address it.

    If you are a US flag vessel, you are always subject to US law and being boarded by the US Coast Guard. Even if you stayed out and were under a flag of conveinence from another country, trips back and forth to you would be subject to Customs and Immigration enforcement, as well as Coast Guard.

    I always thought the Coast Gaurd only gaurded the US coastal waters.

    Nope. They can board an American vessel anywhere in the world.

    The international law dealing with maritime activity is a very specialized field.
  15. punkjunkie punkjunkie

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    what if u paid to get into a club, and the pot was free?
  16. Closet Pigs Closet Pigs

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    I wondered about this awhile back, actually.

    It would not be legal and would not be allowed. Otherwise, drug dealers would just set up giant boats in the ocean and have people go out there to buy drugs...

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