John Kerry: 'Yeah...I smoked pot...and liked it'

Discussion in 'The Drug War Headline News' started by xxdr_zombiexx, Mar 11, 2004.

  1. KWhite KWhite

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    Guest: Why should it worry you?

    Because the precedents made during the long term of criminalization, legal precedents that were supposedly needed to fight drug crime, are now in place, and being widened to kill even more rights that you once had.

    It is not about finding a bag of weed, it is about freedom and not being branded a criminal when you are not, inherently, one. I hope you are never unlucky in your "Responsible use"

    Doc and Jtp:

    I respect the both of you, I see this has gotten personal.
    Passionate argument does not have to be vile, caustic nor insulting.
    I am assuredly not a republican, but I found the words....

    "frothy-mouthed pot-smoking rightwingers that have their lips glued to the GOP collective ass"

    ...poignant if tasteless and definitely insulting.

    Take it to the mail, friends.

  2. xxdr_zombiexx xxdr_zombiexx

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    Rightwingers can dish it but they can't take it.

    Hi Kelly - Everybody -

    I am sorry you find my expressiveness unsettleing but you need to understand a couple things. I have a very specific task underway, an agenda with only a few points that I recurrently visit and reinforce. Things will be like this or worse until at least after the November Election. It will not be a cakewalk.

    America is at this point very bitterly divided along "cultural value lines". For nerly 2 decades the GOP through Rush Limbaugh, FOX News, and a string of rightwing talk radio downspouts has trashed and denigrated the progrssive mindset - calling it "liberal" and turning the term into a de facto "dirty word".

    This is stopping this Summer. The Election of 2004 will be in the history books as the MOST bitter and vile election in US history, and as I have said a few times it will NOT be the Summer of Love.

    It is my perspective and experience that the GOP hijacked the country, has driven it far off course, wrecked the economy - on purpose - and in the middle of it all they work day and night to keep marijuana illegal. It is deeply connected to many things, far beyond the scope of a thread comment.

    The rightwingers are bathed in their political-talking point radio echo (read the link included in the main article - it is there for a reason) and see only what is reported through this network. They are still awaitng the findng of the hundreds of tons of WMD's (whatever those are) and still holding thier breath on their "tax relief". Ho ho ho.

    I will not apologize for doing exactly what Rush and Hannity and OReilly do. There is no point.

    I am doing all of this for FREE. I dont get paid money to do this. I totally believe what I say and I live it out.

    I have a complete right to bash the Greedy One Percent because they are ruining America.

    I am completely UN-thrilled to face the prospect of voting for John Kerry - I do not know what he will do. But he has and continues to say some of what I like to hear and I encourage him to keep it up, to not explain himself, and to NEVER apologize.

    It is an UGLY time in this country: it is MY country and NOBODY will tell me how to talk, what color the sky is, or as the case is, piss on my back and tell me it's raining. It's ok for the GOP to do this to people but when it is done to them, oh, it's just uncivil. Wussies.

    I see no reason to remain polite when the GOP has set about to purposefully kill civilized discourse in america. When the GOP is caling for "civility" it is simply to emasculate and suppress organized and powerful dissent. Nothing more.
    It is a culture war and IT IS ON.
  3. JTP JTP

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    The GOP didn't call for civility, I did, as in me personally, JTP (I am also not _the_ GOP, perhaps it would be better to refer to me as _the_ JTP :chokin: ).

    So tell me why is it OK for you to engage in blanket generalization, false representation of facts, snide innuendos, and venomous name calling, but wrong for me to challenge you on it? You just wrote a response detailing your dislike for those actions, yet you gleefully and consistently engage in the very same activity :nono: .

    As for civilized discourse, perhaps you missed all the civilized discourse that has been occurring during the Democratic primaries, by and amongst Democrats? I think it is clear that neither party is particularly civilized at this point in the game, but to blame the Republicans for that is both another blanket generalization and false.

    P.S. I don't get paid either. Matter of fact I would be shocked if anybody who spends their time here got paid for it.
  4. rick rick

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    I couldnt agree more. I just dont see how a vote for Kerry is ANY better than a vote for Bush. GOP - bleh, those are just letters - it's the men behind the actions that we want out. And moving Kerry in isnt going to displace anyone. No matter how mad ya get, Zombie.
  5. xxdr_zombiexx xxdr_zombiexx

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    General Public Disfavor with GOP showing in the Polls....

    [zombienote: Gasp.]

    GOP Primary Turnout Falls Off Dramatically While Minority Party Casts Majority of Votes
    Capitol Inside

    By Mike Hailey
    Capitol Inside Editor

    With substantial majorities in the Texas Senate and House and every
    statewide officeholder in town, the Republican Party is the state's
    undisputed majority party. Barring a minor unforeseen miracle in the
    Congressional elections this year, the GOP will have monopoly
    control of the state's elected machinery by early next year.

    So how do you explain why more Texans voted for Democrats than
    Republicans in the primary election this week? Shouldn't it be the
    other way around?

    You might hear that President Bush wasn't involved in a competitive
    primary race like the long list of Democrats who appeared as
    presidential candidates on the ballot on Tuesday. But then again,
    neither was Democratic frontrunner and presumed nominee John Kerry,
    the U.S. senator who ran off with 67 percent of the primary vote in
    Texas. The last man standing in the Democratic field, Kerry combined
    with U.S. Senator John Edwards from North Carolina to pull more
    primary votes than Bush could manage in his own state. Kerry and
    Edwards won more than 683,000 votes together in the Democratic
    primary while Bush claimed just over 635,000 Republican primary
    votes in his own backyard.
    Bush was in good shape in his race
    against U.S. Senator John McCain of Arizona when Texas voters cast
    primary ballots in 2000. This year Kerry was in a similar situation,
    having all but locked up the Democratic nomination for president the
    week before the Texas primary vote.

    Democrats say that the main reason Republican voter interest
    declined so dramatically this year is the same essential reason the
    Democratic Party saw a boost in election day turnout. They attribute
    the reversal in trends to a public backlash over the GOP's so-called
    power grab in redistricting, a more aggressive leadership style by
    Democrats and building unrest and questions about the
    administration's handling of compelling issues such as national
    security, foreign policy and the economy. At the same time, the
    ongoing TravisCounty grand jury investigation into Republican
    fundraising on the campaign trail in 2002 could be having the effect
    of a negative advertisement by suppressing turnout among the GOP


    Running scared: Key Republicans admit anxiety over Bush's floundering campaign

    LA Times | Posted on Friday, March 12

    Some say Bush's team has moved too slowly and has failed to address economic concerns.

    By Mark Z. Barabak and Janet Hook, Los Angeles Times

    WASHINGTON — As President Bush steps up his reelection bid, key Republican officials and strategists are expressing concern about his campaign, saying the White House took too long to engage in the race and lacks a clear strategy for addressing voters' economic worries.

    While most Republicans remain confident that Bush will win a second term, there is a growing sense within the party that the battle with Sen. John F. Kerry is likely to be closer and harder-fought that many thought just a few weeks ago.

    "People are anxious," said David Carney, a Republican strategist in New Hampshire and White House political director for Bush's father. "There's a lot of fretting going on out there."

    Much of the hand-wringing stems from recent polls that showed Bush trailing Kerry nationwide. Most Republicans see that as the inevitable result of steady pounding from Democrats who have been campaigning — and bashing the president — for well over a year.

    On Thursday, the Bush campaign rolled out two new television ads in response, including a 30-second spot that criticized the presumed Democratic nominee by name for the first time. "John Kerry," the ad says. "Wrong on taxes, wrong on defense."

    "No jobs are being created. They did not find weapons of mass destruction" in Iraq, said Eddie Mahe Jr., a veteran GOP strategist. "That provided the constant stream of attacks a level of credibility and legitimacy they otherwise might not have."


    Bush's State of the Union address in January, a chance to frame the election-year debate, disappointed many Republicans, one of whom dubbed it "a laundry list" with no thematic core. The president, this GOP strategist added, is "at his strongest when he's focused on three, four things to the exclusion of all others…. He's all over the map now, sending a lot of confused messages to the voters."

    Meantime, the Kerry campaign has taken credit for throwing the administration on the defensive twice this week alone.

    On Monday, Kerry lambasted Bush for declining to meet for more than an hour with the commission investigating the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. A day later, a White House spokesman said Bush would answer all of the panel's questions.

    On Wednesday, the administration postponed appointing a Nebraska manufacturing executive as the country's new manufacturing czar after the Kerry campaign alerted reporters that the nominee had set up a factory in China. The executive, Tony Raimundo, on Thursday removed himself from consideration for the job. Administration officials said the delay in the appointment was not related to the Kerry campaign's move.

    Some headaches have come from inside the administration.

    The White House was embarrassed when Education Secretary Rod Paige called the National Education Assn. a "terrorist organization." And administration officials cringed after Bush's top economic advisor, N. Gregory Mankiw, extolled the virtues of shipping jobs overseas.

    Kerry moves to unite Dems
    Knight Ridder Newspapers | Posted on Thu, Mar. 11, 2004

    Refuses to apologize for calling GOP crooked liars

    By James Kuhnhenn and Ron Hutcheson

    WASHINGTON - Sen. John Kerry reached out Thursday to congressional Democrats and consolidated his position as the leader of the Democratic Party while President Bush unveiled his campaign's first TV attack ad on the Massachusetts senator.

    Relishing the Bush offensive and the lawmakers' warm embrace, Kerry emerged as a unifying figure for Democrats, who haven't had a consensus leader since 2000, when Bill Clinton was president and Al Gore was the party's heir apparent.

    Kerry also met twice with Sen. John Edwards of North Carolina, his strongest primary opponent. The two met privately in the Capitol, then later at a Washington hotel, where Edwards introduced Kerry to about 200 of his top fund-raisers, many of them trial lawyers.

    For Kerry, the day blended optimism and defiance as he sought to take charge of the Democratic agenda and fend off Republican attacks.

    Surrounded by Senate Democrats in the Capitol, Kerry refused to take back comments from a day earlier, when he called Republicans "the most crooked ... lying group I've ever seen."

    In response to a furious backlash from Republicans, including House Speaker Dennis Hastert, Kerry said: "I have no intention whatsoever of apologizing for my remarks. ... There is a Republican attack squad that specializes in trying to destroy people and be negative. I think the president needs to talk about the real priorities of our country."

    Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., said Kerry's remarks Wednesday were "offensive."

    Hastert said he especially took offense because Kerry had made his comment in Chicago. Hastert represents Illinois counties just west of Chicago. "If he wants to describe me as being crooked and a liar, I think he will have his upcommance coming," Hastert said, coining a word.


    [zombienote: Oh.... the uncivil tone.....I didn't start it.]
  6. iancurtis iancurtis

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    Lesser of two evils

    as wishy washy as kerry may or may not be in my mind is beside the point. Bush on the other hand is probably the most conservative president, since possibly nixon, and i know he looks at marijuana as a deadly narcotic, somehow attaching itself to that "axis of evil," and their plans to corrupt our way of life. So my vote is for kerry, may bush rot in hell
  7. KWhite KWhite

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    The incivility:

    It does not matter who started it, I would just like it stopped. It shows us in a less than positive light when we sink to their level.

  8. Herb Ninja Herb Ninja

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    Nah, liberal isn't a dirty word any more then theif or socialist would be a dirty word.

    But don't think i'm defending the conservatives, its not like their plate is clean. Peace, HN-
  9. king cola king cola

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    Everyone talks about voting for a republican or democrat, no ones ever given a 3rd party a chance. They might surprise everyone and run the country better than a democrat or republican ever has. If Bush is so anxious to throw every pot smoker in jail, i would like to know when his daughters will get put away. There have been things goin around about his daughters being major pot smokers, maybe this is one reason why he targets marijuana use so much! I mean what the hell, cocaine and heroin still exist and people are using it, but you never see commercials about that, it's always about marijuana. Then they put people on these commercials that say all kinds of negative things about pot when they probably never even smoked a joint in their life and just read a script! It's like they want you to believe marijuana is the most powerful and only illicit drug in the world. I think marijuana prohibition commercials have been more and more popular ever since the subject of legalization has been brought up.
  10. xxdr_zombiexx xxdr_zombiexx

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  11. Herb Ninja Herb Ninja

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    Thats so evil....... ohhh noooo!!! For somebody that points out the flaws in our government so much its funny you would be socialist/liberal, calling for a big controlling government. A socialist government is big enough to be tyrannical, and taxes enough to fund military to resist any revolution of the people in case of tyranny. The whole idea of forced communism, even if only for the minority, is tyrannical. Its nice for the socialists though, because they have alot of people able to compete with the republicans, i'm talking of course about the democrats. From what I see Bush or Kerry, either or, are going to make us less, not more free. Its like asking me to vote for a peanut or a pecan, one might be a little bit better but either way i'm still voting for a nut. Peace, HN-

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