MD: Dope Smokers Risk Heart Attack

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  1. Dedbr Dedbr

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    MA: Dope Smokers Risk Heart Attack

    MA: Dope Smokers Risk Heart Attack
    Science a Go Go/ 3 March, 2010 / Kate Melville

    [FONT=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif] [IMG] In the first hour after smoking marijuana, a person's risk of a heart attack can shoot up nearly five-fold, say researchers at Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center in Boston. The study is believed to be the first to document a link between smoking marijuana and heart attacks. [/FONT]

    [FONT=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif] As an immediate trigger for heart attack, marijuana is less risky than a spurt of exercise for a couch potato or a snort of cocaine. But marijuana smoke is about twice as dangerous as exercise for a fit person, sex for a sedentary person, a tantrum of anger or a bout of anxiety. [/FONT]
    [FONT=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif] "As baby boomers enter the age at which coronary disease is the most important cause of death and the leading cause of morbidity, we may see an increase in marijuana-associated heart attacks," says internist Murray Mittleman, M.D., director of cardiovascular epidemiology at BIDMC. "In the debate about medicinal use, marijuana may be contraindicated for people with existing coronary disease." [/FONT]

    [FONT=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif] Mittleman will present his results Thursday, March 2, at the Conference on Cardiovascular Disease Epidemiology and Prevention in San Diego. The meeting is sponsored by the American Heart Association.[/FONT]

    [FONT=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif] The findings are the latest to emerge from a multicenter study of 3,882 patients who survived heart attacks. In this report, 124 people reported using marijuana regularly. Of these, 37 people reported using marijuana within 24 hours of their heart attacks, and nine smoked marijuana within an hour of their heart attacks. After smoking marijuana, the researchers found that the relative risk of a heart attack increased by 4.8 times within the first hour but dropped to 1.7 times in the second hour, suggesting a rapid decline in the acute cardiac effects. [/FONT]

    [FONT=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif] Despite the surprisingly high percentage of people under age 50 who reported current marijuana use in the study -- 12.5 percent -- Mittleman doesn't anticipate an epidemic of marijuana-triggered heart attacks. "For a 50 year old without any other risk factors, this translates to a change in absolute risk of a 10-in-a-million chance of having a heart attack in the first hour after smoking marijuana," says Mittleman, who also holds a doctorate in epidemiology and teaches epidemiologic methods at the Harvard School of Public Health. [/FONT]

    [FONT=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif] Mittleman can't explain exactly how marijuana may trigger a heart attack. Mechanisms could include the active ingredient THC or merely the smoke from burning plants, he says. "Smoked marijuana or oral THC increases the heart rate by about 40 beats per minute," Mittleman says. "It causes the blood pressure to increase when the person is lying down and then abruptly fall when the person stands up. This could precipitate a heart attack. On the other hand, except for THC in marijuana and nicotine in cigarettes, the smoke constituents from plant combustion are similar. The immediate effects of inhaling these substances is not well-understood." [/FONT]
  2. BillieBudd BillieBudd

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    Isn't this old news??
    Regardless, it seems to me, in my addled state, that 9 out of 3882 did something that might have precipitated an event...not huge, I don't think...
    Most heart attacks (and I could be wrong) are a result of a plaque rupture in an occluded artery, rather than a shock of some kind...I would ask what kind of heart attack these 9 souls experienced...
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  3. claygooding claygooding

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    Why is it that they say that an increased heart rate is harmful,I thought that is why you go for walks and exercise when you get older,to increase your blood flow and strengthen your heart,because being sedentary and your heart remaining at the same rate constantly is bad for you. Therefore,smoking marijuana is good for your heart. It does the same thing as a brisk walk,and you don't have to leave the chair.
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  4. MrIMStoned MrIMStoned

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    I'm no doctor or anything, but it seems to me that having your heart thumping away while your just sitting in front of the tv, might not be a good thing. Having your heart rate increase while exercising serves a purpose. When you're sedentary it might not be a good thing to have a higher heart rate. Maybe it is... I dunno...
  5. MestUp7 MestUp7

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    LOL did they pose that picture just for this article?

    "Not only will weed give you a heart attack, your daughter will worship the devil"
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  6. claygooding claygooding

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    increase is increase

    I don't think the heart muscle knows the difference. All it knows is thumpity,thumpity,thumpity and it responds to signals from your brain
    when more ttt is required. I have a Drs appointment tomorrow and I will get her to research it for me.
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  7. Gee Gee

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    Even if this is true, you gotta die somehow. I'd rather go out from a cannabis induced heart attack than choking on my own vomit after a night on the booze.
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  8. stoneygreenbud stoneygreenbud

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    I suffered a heart attack in 2007, and I've been a daily marijuana smoker since 1975
    I have also been a cigarette smoker since 1979

    My heart attack, according to my heart Dr. was the result of "my lifestyle of food choices" meaning that it was caused by a 95% blockage in the left antior valve of my heart. I was asleep and in cases like that, most people would have just passed away, never waking up.

    But aparently, it wasen't my time to go, I woke up as it was happening (thank god) I now have a 1 inch bare metal stent and I haven't had any problems since.

    IMO, this was only 1 study, and not really a large scale study to actually weigh in on a marijuana user and his or her extended risk factor for a marijuana related heart attack.
    (just my 2 cents)

    ~Stoney~
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  9. Buds_Of_Steele Buds_Of_Steele

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    Id chalk a lot of these "marijuana induced heart attacks" of these up to coincidence, people having heart attacks is not an uncommon thing and neither is people using cannabis.

    Besides that, as many have said before me, isn't increasing your heart rate a good thing?
  10. Justiiice Justiiice

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    Why does it say MD in the title, if all the research was done in Boston, MA?

    I think this should be used for MMJ patients with pre-existing heart problems. This shouldn't lead people to think smoking weed is gonna give you a heart attack. It does the same thing as if you were out and about running around, playing football or something of that nature. You could get a heart attack doing a lot more things then smoking marijuana, My grandfather lived through 2 heartattacks, from exerting himself too hard at his older ages, and I don't think taking a few puffs of weed is gonna give him a heartattck or even would have back then. Using marijuana obviously increases your heart rate when your high, but you don't have to go crazy when you smoke either. You can use it in moderation according to what you feel is right. Nobody is risking anything but having too much fun when they're stoned...
  11. lilsirek lilsirek

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    Is this any worse than alcohol or Codine?
  12. quester quester

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    Ok, I don't understand this,
    I've had two heart attacks, but unlike stonygreenbud I have two stents in my heart.
    With both of my attacks I was in the hospital undergoing treatment within 1/2 hour
    I d*mn sure didn't wait a hour just to get high before calling 911.
    As for the other 37, smoked up within 24 hours?
    H*ll I was in the hospital for 2 weeks with the first one and a week with the second and there wasn't anyplace I could get to in the hospital in order get high, even if I wanted to.

    124 people out of 3,882 is, if I'm right, just a tad over 3%?
    How about the rest of the 3,882 people?
    Sure would be interesting to see how many of them drink booze "regularly"?

    Now I know that marijuana makes your blood clot faster, because it thickens it, so I could see that if your blood is thicker it would cause blockages to form easier.
    After talking to the cardiologist(?), after the 2nd attack, about me smoking cigs and pot he told me the cigs had to go if I wanted to live much longer but with an adjustment to my blood thinners I should still be able to smoke pot.
    After three weeks of tests and adjustments the Doc said I was good to go but to just make sure
    and get blood tests at least once a month.
  13. BillieBudd BillieBudd

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    quester..
    I took that statement to mean prior to their heart attacks..
    I have some stenting as well (smoked the cigs), although I managed to avoid the MI..best of luck to you and stoneygreen. Our lessons should be heeded by those younger here who might also use tobacco..it can, and probably will, happen to you...
  14. claygooding claygooding

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    Heart problems

    I had 3 stints put in back in 98 and every heart doctor I have seen since
    in the private sector and the VA has stressed that I must do things to raise my heartbeat everyday. Of course they recommended exercise,but irregardless,the heart is a muscle that responds to signals from the brain.
    The heart doesn't know why it increases,it just responds. So how is it bad for me to raise my heartbeat with marijuana instead of exercise?
    My health provider laughed about it yesterday when I poised the question too her and said she would check with a colleague who is a heart specialist in OKC.
    She said,that as far as she knew the only difference in a heartbeat being raised by exercise instead of marijuana was that there would be calories
    burned and benefit to the muscles you would use doing the exercise.
    Since I am a bit overweight,she was probably hinting for me to smoke my pot while I am walking.
  15. CrayzStoner CrayzStoner

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    So by their judgement...because marijuana increases your heart rate your more at risk to a heart attack? You know what else gives you a just as fast heart beat? Exercising....sex.....any rigorous activity....they all raise your heart beat. If your at an old age your at risk for a heart attack REGARDLESS of your health....when you get older things stop working correctly. I wish people would actually put forth honest studies instead of just trying to fool people...

    I love how they didnt even mention most heart attacks are from plaque build up in the arteries anyway :rolleyes:
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  16. Texas Toker Texas Toker

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    Just for your own edification.The stent was placed in your left anterior descending coronary artery or LAD, not in a valve.We call the blockage you had the "widow maker" because most don't survive that blockage.As someone who does diagnostic testing of hearts,arteries,and veins,I haven't seen any heart patients whose coronary event was precipitated by smoking marijuana.:shrug:
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  17. quester quester

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    Ahhhh, OK.
    I went back and re-read it and your right.
    However given that the percentage goes down even more.
    It's starting to lok more like a smoke screen more and more.
  18. Dedbr Dedbr

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    Damn clay and quest.....you guys must not of been too up on diet and stuff, huh? Heart attacks? Stents, Geeez guys, I hope to be an old fuck before I have to have that done...My choloesterall is great and my good and bad triglycerides are perfect.......


    some Where In Ded Land...........................:D
  19. quester quester

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    My second love and downfall was bacon.
    Quit smoking cigs?
    No problem.
    No bacon?
    I still dream abut it and when I'm stoned, it's murder.

    Does anyone remember,
    "I'd walk a mile for a Camel."?
    Well I'd kill a cop to make a slice of Bacon.
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  20. stoneygreenbud stoneygreenbud

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    Well I think the bottom line here is:

    Eat right,diet,exercise......... and die anyway.

    ~Stoney~
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