Questions for people who successfully subbed...

1. Did you get scanned with a metal detector for a regular pre employment non DOT test? I fitted a brass barb to my container for vent purposes in draining.

2. Been practicing, got the temp down (heat pad not even really necessary) but pulling out bottle and doing the transfer seems cumbersome if using a toilet with a door open and somebody being around. I can only hope for a more private opportunity to test. What were your experiences regarding this?

3. Suggestions for aiding in the transfer if a not so private test is given? Obviously, I really hope for a "behind a closed door" type of test.

4. Can you describe what you did from the time given the cup to the time you hand the cup over and passed?

I tried a search for this but nothing useful came up, except for one thread where a guy said the light had a fan wired to it. Thanks.

PS, I had posted this on another forum, but after over 480 views had zero replies, giving it a try here. Thank you.

Almost positive it should be closed door for pre employment. There not gonna pay extra to be observed and no one assumes people are trying to cheat the test. You should be good to go.

Just took a pre employment UA test yesterday. (10 panel) I used Monkey Wizz http://www.seriousmonkeybizzness.com/. I highly suggest you do the same instead of going super cheap mcgyver style lol. They didn't search me or anything. It was at Quest. They sent it to a lab. They told me to pick a cup, peel the lid off, dump out the contents and pee. I did my thing, signed a paper and left. Just got a call telling me I passed.

^was the door closed?

Oh yea. If i'm not mistaken, it will only be open door if it's probation. I pretty sure they can't look unless you subbed and got caught or dropped dirty. Even then, I dont think can look (not sure).

I just subbed for the first time earlier this week. I was f'n terrified for the week or so leading into it, but after visiting this site I got a little more confident. LIFE SAVER! I'm no expert but from what I gather, pre-employment screens are all pretty much the same. I followed the instructions I learned here and it was easy as pie (after practicing, of course).

The place I went to did not ask me to empty my pockets, no search, no metal detectors. The nurse did make me wash my hands prior, but she just gave me a cup, told me to piss and place the sample on this little table that was next to the toilet. She then practically slammed the door and left. I almost did a backflip! I pulled my 3oz bottle from my crotch, quickly and silently removed the lid from the bottle and poured it into the cup (this is where the practice comes in...make sure you practice EXACTLY how you are going to do EVERYTHING!). After pouring it in, I pissed in the toilet hands free while replacing the cap to the 3oz bottle (maybe 5 seconds after the sub...PRACTICE!) I stopped my piss for about 3 seconds to seem as if I was filling the cup, then finished pissing. Tucked the bottle back in my crotch and zipped up. The temp strip read 100, so I swished the cup around and blew on it for about 10 seconds...98 exactly (Most important...PRACTICE the temp! I preheated to 106 and using one hand warmer, the temp consistently dropped only 4 degrees in 15 minutes while stuck in my crotch...thats 102. When I poured it out, it immediately dropped to 100...swished for a few seconds and 98. This happened in all five of my practice runs, and luckily I only waited about 20 minutes when I tested). Placed the cup on the table and went to get the nurse...I expected her to be right outside the door but she was across the room at her desk. I came walking out and she flew from behind the desk and told me to stay with the sample. She looked at it and said it looked diluted so they might make me retest (scared the shit out of me but I knew it was clean and no diluted...came from my wife!). She dipped a colored strip in the piss and tested for PH and all that, then poured it into a small vial and dumped the rest in the toilet. She sealed it up like a bank deposit and had me initial it and I was out the door. Went back for a full physical a couple days later and was informed that all was well (I brought another batch of clean piss with me, just in case, but didn't need it). Easy as pie! PRACTICE PRACTICE PRACTICE! Even if it's a "monitored" test (with you in a stall and a nurse outside the stall) they can't see you. Practice and the entire process is SILENT. Remember...like many here have said, the fear is in your head.

Sorry for the long post, but this site saved my f'n life (I was about to lose my house...this job saves me and my family!). If I can help ease the mind of anyone having to go through this ridiculous nonsense, I will!

Mr. Blue Sky: So how did you heat the urine when you substituted, using hot water? Also how long did you wait after your wife gave you the urine? I've just read its not good to submit urine thats old.

Appreciate it

Wifey rode to the appt with me. She whizzed in a cup right in the parking lot (inside the car of course ). I poured it into my 3oz bottle and dipped the bottle into a cup of piping hot coffee. Dipped for maybe 30 seconds and tested it using a human digital thermometer. Read 106.5 when I tucked it. Entire whizz & heating process took maybe two minutes, then straight into the clinic. This is the way to go if you have a "clean" someone willing to take the trip with you.

Okay so if I sub, and the target temperature is 98 degrees, is there really any pre-heating necessary? I have done some tests with boxer briefs and i am getting readings in the 97 degrees range. I know the quest range is 90-100 degrees after 4 minutes, so if I heat it up to 99.8 degrees in the parking lot, should I be good (I will have a friend on hand to provide the urine). Also, what's the general consensus with bringing in a digi thermometer or temperature strips into the room? I appreciate all the help.

This sounds quite bad. Can you plz link to 2 or 3 maybe? I try searching and am not seeing these stories?

I'm not sure about the heating...when I did my practice runs without warmers, the temp dropped 10 degrees in 15 minutes, but only 4 degrees with warmers. I felt much safer with the warmers. Also...the temp of the urine will drop 2 degrees IMMEDIATELY, as soon as you pour it into the cup. I know they're supposed to accept 90-100, but I didnt want anyone looking at me funny for 95 degree piss...but that's just me and I'm paranoid as shit! I would defintely preheat and use warmers...theyre really cheap and really easy. But I think many here have passed without, giving a sample at 95 degrees. Good luck!!

Alright well sorry to keep bugging you, I have a couple other questions, I really appreciate all of your help thus far. Did you bring temperature strips into the test with you? I went to every pharmacy and supermarket in town and could find nothing but a few stickers for kids that measure every 2 degrees. any idea on where I could find them? I would feel more comfortable with a temperature device. Also, I know my drug test measures the temperature at 4 minutes, so I am practicing with that in mind, but do you happen to remember if they seal your sample right away? or after 4 minutes? I feel like that might have an effect on the rate of cooling. Thanks for the help.

Also, what kind of bottle did you use, my temperature is dropping around 4 degrees from container to cup

So there aren't any real links then? These are bogus.

The first sounds like pure BS, there is no factual proof of any failure. Just a long winded, scripted post that tries too hard to proove it is from a legitimate user who in their own clear words won't be requesting an MRO report who failed for "invalid/fail due to synthetic. Was told to call the MRO so I did; she said basically that it came back synthetic". Right, the old sorry you failed but we can't tell you what for. OK, so no synthetic failure found here.

The 2nd the user clearly states they bought a box (5 years ago cough cough) that wasn't even shrink wrapped. It was tampered with. No synthetic failure found here.

The 3rd was the usual I failed but don't have the heart to get an MRO report to find out what I failed for. When pressed that person never came back to their thread. No synthetic failure found here.

The 4th one is from a product that I've never heard of before purchased at a headshop where the person states they found an extra "substance" in the urine. OK...

So I did as you suggested and searched and found more of the same, people posting sythetic failure stories but when pressed for proof ran away and those who did not always are shown to have purchased a fake or expired batch.

Please let us know when someone posts a factual synthetic failure. Until then I will not be taking the word of someone using a stock photo as their own picture and who also has a clear conflict of interest when it comes to dispensing factual information regarding synthetic urine...

Thank you any how.