USA: Regulate Marijuana like Wine

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    USA: Regulate Marijuana like Wine
    NRAmerica /January 16, 2012

    At the last meeting of the Libertarian National Committee in December, we endorsed the California ballot initiative to "Regulate Marijuana as Wine" by a vote of 14-0 (with 2 abstentions).

    While most Libertarians would rather have no regulation on marijuana, we believe that this is an incremental step in the right direction.
    Please read the below message from the sponsors of this initiative.
    Yours in liberty,
    Mark Hinkle, Chair Libertarian National Committee


    The new year is in motion, and Libertarians are set for huge advances toward liberty at every turn. The opportunities are there. We just have to reach out and grab them!

    I'm writing to tell you about one of those opportunities, a victory for freedom that's going to rock the very foundations of federal overreach and help us put Washington back in its place ... if YOU will help us seize that victory.

    That coming victory -- a major Libertarian win in the War on Drugs, with 10th Amendment implications in nearly every area of government policy -- is California's Regulate Marijuana Like Wine Initiative. It's exactly what it sounds like: A new law that gives use, possession and sale of marijuana exactly the same legal status as drinking a glass, cellaring a bottle, or selling a case of Napa Valley White Zinfandel.

    I know you've heard the hype before: A silver bullet that will make all your Libertarian dreams come true. That's not what I'm trying to sell you here. This initiative won't end the war on drugs all by itself. It won't restore the Constitution on one fell swoop. It's a beginning, not an end.

    But what a beginning! With one electoral stroke -- and for less than the cost of even a single congressional campaign -- we can immediately and dramatically increase the freedom of 38 million Californians, set the stage for a nationwide expansion of that new freedom, and put an overbearing federal government on the DEFENSIVE!

    California led the way on medical marijuana back in 1996 with Proposition 215. Since then, 15 more states and the District of Columbia have passed medical marijuana legislation, bringing much-needed legal relief to the millions of patients (including me!) who rely on cannabis to relieve chronic pain, restore appetite and suppress the nausea associated with cancer chemo and AIDS medications, and even to outright keep them alive.

    We've learned a lot in the last 15 years. Prop 215 was an incredibly successful template for winning more freedom, but as one of its early proponents and long-time beneficiaries I've learned over time that it has its weak spots.

    Prop 215 left too much discretion to local and state officials in California. Since its passage, we've had to fight time and time again to force police and prosecutors to honor the intent of the law instead of re-interpreting it in ways that let them punish medical marijuana patients, arrest producers and shut down dispensaries. We've been quite successful in those fights, but they've been costly and time-consuming.

    Prop 215 also made it too easy for those same police and prosecutors to collude with federal law enforcement at a "profit," by turning state non-crimes over to DEA and other alphabet-soup agencies, then raking in a share of asset forfeiture proceeds. California cops keep the feds on speed-dial, knowing that with one phone call they can turn a fruitless traffic stop into a pay raise or a new patrol car, courtesy of Uncle Sam.

    We've tweaked the Prop 215 template to eliminate those weaknesses make the Regulate Marijuana Like Wine Initiative even more successful, not just in California but in the post-California national adoption phase.

    Regulate Marijuana Like Wine specifies the EXACT scope of police and prosecutorial powers and the MAXIMUM fines and punishments which can be levied for infractions. It repeals all previous laws that might be used as hooks to hang a prosecution on. No more latitude for creative interpretations. No more loopholes to "up-charge" infractions so as to increase the penalties. Under this new law, smoking a joint will be treated

    EXACTLY like drinking a glass of merlot, traveling with an ounce of marijuana in your car will be treated EXACTLY like driving home with a bottle of chablis, and selling marijuana will be treated EXACTLY like running a liquor store.


    --Retired Superior Court Judge and Libertarian National Judicial Committee Member James Gray

    We've also done a very nice of political ju-jitsu with the issue of federal intervention. Get this:

    Instead of leaving California cops, prosecutors and political officials free to sic the feds on those whom state law bars them from persecuting, or to throw up their hands and say "sorry, this is out of Washington, nothing we can do," Regulate Marijuana Like Wine FORBIDS California cops and prosecutors to enforce conflicting federal law and OBLIGATES the state of

    California to defend the new law against federal challenges.
    That last part is key to turning this initiative into a national wildfire that spreads even faster than medical marijuana has, with implications far beyond marijuana law alone.

    We've watched non-profit legal foundations, with little funding or support, take on the feds and win on constitutional issues. Watch what happens when the full legal and political resources of the world's sixth largest economy are mobilized to give the 10th Amendment teeth again!

    This is ultimately no more about marijuana than the Boston Tea Party was about Tea. It's about FREEDOM. We're going to knock down some walls, folks. Not just marijuana laws, not even just the War on Drugs. Think "health insurance mandates." Think "gun laws." If there's not an enumerated federal power in the Constitution for it, it's going down. The case law generated by Regulate Marijuana Like Wine will eradicate it and sow salt in the earth where it once stood.

    THAT is the power of Regulate Marijuana Like Wine: A new birth of freedom in America, radiating out from California until it encompasses the whole of America, from sea to shining sea. But first, we have to get the initiative passed.

    Polling tells us that 62% of Californians are ready and willing to vote for it, but they can't do that until we get it on the ballot by collecting 500,000 valid signatures from registered California voters (which means more like 800,000 "raw" signatures).

    I'm coming to you, my fellow Libertarians, for the "seed money" to get this thing rolling. Ultimately it's going to cost somewhere in the neighborhood of $1.5 million, and that money WILL come ... IF we can raise $100,000 to get a full-on, professional petition drive launched and in motion.

    As Thomas Paine once wrote, "it would be strange indeed, if so celestial an article as Freedom should not be highly rated." How highly do YOU rate freedom?

    I bet there are at least a hundred members of the Party of Principle who think it's worth $1000 or more to lift a yoke of tyranny from the necks of 38 million people.

    I've been to our party's national conventions, and I'm absolutely sure there are at least a thousand of us who'd find $100, somehow, to put the Tenth Amendment back into operation.

    Over my years in the party, I've seen my fellow Libertarians kick in $10, $25, $50 ... whatever they can afford, and until it hurts ... when they see an opportunity to win the day for liberty in any way, big or small. Now I'm asking you to do it again. This is a big one, folks. Whatever you can afford, it WILL make a difference.

    Let Freedom Grow,
    James P. Gray - Chief Proponent Steve Kubby - Campaign Manager Bill McPike - Chief Counsel Stephen Collett - Treasurer

    ENDORSEMENTS The Libertarian Party Gov. Gary Johnson Congressman Dana Rohrabacher Kenny Loggins Judge James P. Gray (ret.) LAPD Deputy Chief S. Downing (ret.) Assemblymember Chris Norby Lt. Diane Goldstein (ret.) Ed Rosenthal NORML Founder Keith Stroup Thomas Chong Rick Steves Vivian McPeak Seattle Hempfest Lynnette Shaw Marin Alliance Alice Huffman President California NAACP Rob Kampia, MPP Norm Stamper, former Seattle Police Chief Craig Beresh, California Cannabis Coalition A New PATH (Parents for Addiction Treatment & Healing)

    P.S. If you have not already done so, please join the Libertarian Party. We are the only political party with a mission to give voters a choice for much less Big Government, much lower taxes, and much lower government spending.

    You can also renew your membership. Or, you can make a contribution separate from membership.
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  2. Bud Is good Bud Is good

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    Exactly..Make it legal to make and posses, just not sell..
  3. friedfever friedfever

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    Thats right. God gave us weed and who are they to say we can't smoke it.
  4. Bud Is good Bud Is good

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    The goverment says we can't smoke it..
  5. medizone medizone

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    Did you even read the article?
  6. Bud Is good Bud Is good

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    From the article..Selling MJ will be treated like running a liquir store...You need a license to sell it..

    Which I totally agree with..But there should be just weed stores..Not booze and liquir stores..
  7. MrIMStoned MrIMStoned

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    They have some pretty big guns.:hail:
  8. stoneygreenbud stoneygreenbud

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    Well I'm in the same boat as the 16 states and the Dist. Of Columbia, that say fuck the fed govt. and what they think.


  9. Bud Is good Bud Is good

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    Ahhh how I envey thow!!!!!
  10. medizone medizone

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    Are you saying that we need a new alcohol prohib-ition?
  11. friedfever friedfever

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    Who cares what the government says?
  12. Izzyrizzy Izzyrizzy

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    I'm still boggled on how the Government can even make marijuana illegal?
    What gives them the right to control a personal aspect of our own lives? To be able to roll and smoke a joint if one so chose to.

    The reasons why the government wants to keep marijuana illegal... I have no clue.. Nor would it be a good reason regardless, because there ARE no good reasons to keep this incredible plant illegal...

    Prohibition didn't work in 1920 when alcohol was made illegal... Took our incredibly brilliant politicians (that was sarcasm) 13 years to finally realize that the fight against alcohol was pointless... When will they get there heads out of there asses, and learn that this plant can do so much more good than it could ever harm...

    Its sad really =\
  13. Bud Is good Bud Is good

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    Yes..That would be wonderful...I would vote for it..

    If booze is legal and causes more problems than something that is ilegal..Yes we should outlaw booze again..
  14. MrIMStoned MrIMStoned

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  15. Insaneteacher Insaneteacher

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    I see where you're coming from but doing that would just be replacing MJ with booze in a legal sense. It might work out at first but 50 or so years down the road people are going to be fighting booze prohibi-tion like people are fighting MJ pro today...

    I think the main point here is that prohibi-tion in general doesn't work. The bottom line is it's not the government's responsibility to say what we can and can't put in our bodies.
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  16. Bud Is good Bud Is good

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    Yes yes I am..I also tell people not to smoke cigerretes and shit, but I smoke so..Yeah ima damm hippocrite..

    Good point prohibition does not work...And alot of the things we prohibit today, were totally legal a 100 years ago...

    I just don't see the point to prohibit something that hurts no one...I really get pissed of talking about it to people..Other than you guys, cause you guys probably know how I feel..Ya know..
  17. Insaneteacher Insaneteacher

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    yeah i mean come to think of it i only ever discuss MJ with you guys on this site or people in my life who are pro MJ. when i come across somebody that is against it i'm sort of taken aback i guess. I mean i just don't see the logic in keeping it illegal, i guess for some people that makes sense though....

    Either way i understand that MJ having the legal status of something like oregano or oranges is a long way off. so i think regulating it like alcohol or tobacco is a step in the right direction at this point. i would definitely support that. in general i think things change by degrees rather than all at once...
  18. Bud Is good Bud Is good

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    Regulating like booze or tobacco would be awsome...

    One day it will happen..I give it 5 years honestly..It's been way to long being not legal...Something has to change...
  19. Ghoast Ghoast

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    There are plenty of great reasons to keep marijuana illegal and they all have one thing in common: MONEY

    The government makes bank from keeping the plant illegal. So many industries benefit from it being illegal not to mention the cost associated with enforcing the law of it being illegal..

    This is what made me open my eyes to the worldwide dictatorships that are going on.. I thought to myself, if they're doing this with weed what else are they doing.. well it turned out there's a hell of a lot of things they're doing that are completely fucked, which all pretty much end in: it makes the people at the top of the pyramid a ton of money.. that's what it literally all boils down to, money.. That's why we're in so many wars too.. And why the healthcare industry is the way it is... and why the prison system is set up and runs in the way it does.. and the schooling/college system.. I could go on..

    OPEN YOUR EYES!!! :)
  20. Izzyrizzy Izzyrizzy

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    1) There are no good reasons... Money is not a good reason why its illegal...
    And if your just figuring out about the control the government is forcing upon us, your a little late to the tea party.

    Lets consider the options...

    Marijuana stays illegal...
    More money spent on finding the Mexican drug cartels...
    More money spent on arrests for dealers, drug smugglers and the users...
    Jail's increase in population, the cost for living goes up...
    Now what do we have? Useless laws that fix nothing, over crowded prisons, and a price that can never be fully paid off...

    Now lets look at the other side!
    Marijuana becomes legal!

    The Mexican drug cartels are now out of work, so there's no more drugs coming illegally across the boarder.
    There will be much less gang violence associated with dealing marijuana...
    More jobs generated for dispensaries, growers and pretty much everything that marijuana can produce (Cloth, Paper, Rope etc:)
    And of course the government gets a really nice cut out of the profits.. Its a FUCKING win win! People wont have to rely on pill medication anymore! Its said that some strains of medical marijuana, can help treat ADD, ADHD, OCD, and depression...

    To say that keeping marijuana illegal is a good thing, is the dumbest statement I've heard...

    So here is the real question, what would you rather give your son/daughter in the morning before school?

    A hand full of pills to help there Depression? That can cause brain zaps, addiction/Dependence on the pill, and worse depression than they had before off the pill?


    A brownie, that will make your son/daughter feel normal...

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