lew scannon

You got burned.

A pH reading of 9.2 is acceptable under the Mandatory Guidelines set by SAMHSA. Red flags are raised when the pH is below 3, and greater than or equal to, 11...
http://www.workplace.samhsa.gov/Drug...ary%202005.pdf

And after reading the guidelines, you'll discover that pH is checked to determine adulteration and not substitution.

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bkdiezelz

So after all my research and my abstaining for 16 days and dry running both Dilution and Substitution, I have opted to Sub.
It's just too risky to Dilute for me as this is a pre-employment drug test that I must pass.

I have QF 5.7 Batch F1P-09.
Been practicing temp/crotching, will do some more.

Labs are few mins away from my house so I plan on getting temp up to about 100 degrees before crotching it and driving over.
Unsure if I will use supplied heatpads, but I'll test that this morning too as I have 1 extra.

Question is, I have the option of scheduling my own test at either LabCorp or Quest.

LabCorp paperwork states 5 Panel. That's all it says.

Quest paperwork states 1793N SAP 9-50 GC/MS

Based on the above, any advantage to taking at one rather than other?

Thanks and I will post my story once this saga is all over.

bkdiezelz

anyone??

any diff between labs, or the type of tests given based on my info above??
one better than other??

looking to sched this today/soon or call for a walk-in..

thx again.

Researcher

Since you're using synth urn it doesn't matte whch test you select.

If you were using your own urn, then it'd be a safer bet to go with a non-GC/MS test b/c it has a lower level of detection (LOD) given that you still like to "party".

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Talk2Samson

sorry for not backreading, but has anyone ever used the handwarmers or toewarmers that they sell at dicks sporting goods or other hunting stores?

I'm thinking about using the substitution method for an upcoming test and i'm thinking about using two 1oz eyedroppers and putting the toe warmer in between the two droppers and wrapping a rubberband around them and jocking it.

thoughts? comments? suggestions?

Talk2Samson

^^^^Actually, scratch that, I'm going to try and get one of these guys instead of the eye dropper

Disposable Flask - 4 pack

these are those soft plastic flasks that people use to sneak into games/concerts. It holds 7.5oz too

Ive tried to find these at local liquor stores but nobody has them. Anyone know of anything thats even similar to this that I could possibly buy somewhere? The only thing I can think of right now are those little bags that go inside baby bottles for the baby's formula.

bkdiezelz

Well, took the plunge at Quest this afternoon using QF 5.7.

Granted I also Diluted just in case and while I pre-tested before I left with my own urine, THC line was super faint (not photo-copyable) and thus the Sub was on!.

So I nuked the QF for 8 seconds, then 5 seconds, let it sit till I got the the digital thermometer to read 99.2, while temp strip read 98, and (same as I had in Practice runs) crotched it in 2 pairs of bicycle shorts one size too small, friggin ingenious, shit was not going anywhere and did not inhibit my normal movement in the least

Since practicing getting temp right for a few hours beforehand, I knew I could get it to hold a minimum of 94-95 for at least an hour so I jumped in my car and hit the Lab 10 mins away from home.

Mr. Paranoid had the radio on to stay calm, and used the heat outside to my advantage, leaving A/C off in hopes that temp drop slowed a bit.
Lo and behold, I started feeling confident.

Walked into test center cool as cucumber , signed in and waited 2-3 minutes before being called in.
Lady asked if I was ready to pee and I asked for a cup of water just in case to make sure (buddy hooked me up with this idea in previous night's pep talk as he had used QF 3x before with no issue, blazing all the while). After drinking the cup and then sitting for 5 mins "reading" a magazine article about Megan Fox (illegal how hot she is), I said I was ready. I was walked into an exam room and for a split second almost shit my pants as I thought woman was going to ask to examine me
She asks me if is this pre-employment, I say yes, she says OK, she says to follow her to bathroom. Just outside is a lockbox, she says dump aythng in your pockets in there, I did, she DID NOT pat me down at all.
After instructing me to fill to this line (60 ml), she says do not wash hands or flush and drops a blue tab into toilet and says to go about my biz and give her cup when done.
She did wait just behind door, but I closed it, I LOCKED IT, and boom, I'm in there by myself. Still calm, I simply open my QF, it read 95/96, I very carefully opened screwtop, put cap in pocket and then did the tilt pour so abso no noise would be made, was plenty for the cup. Put test cup down on toilet, peed a bit and then capped my QF bottle and recrotched it. Grabbed the testcup, looked at it and it read 94-95. Opened door (she still was right there), and simply handed it over. At the door, she poured into a small container, gave me remainder and asked me to dump it. Signed papers and saw that magical checkmark next to 90-100 temp on the form, signed/initialed a few places, along with name, SS#, etc, and that was it!

All in all, 10 mins tops and I was ghost!

Practice, practice and oh yeah, PRACTICE!!!
Was truly easy. Now the hard part, waiting....

Lets hope this batch QF 5.7 is all good. I only opened it just before leaving to check temp with a new/clean digital therm I dipped into it. I didn't test it with any Validity or THC dip test due to my fears of contaminating with the dye from the SVT tests (I had another batch which tested Validity fine, but paranoia made me buy another one). The one I used for my test at Quest was QF 5.7, Batch F1P-09. If anyone has this and used successfully, please let me know.

Thanks to all on these forums (N2, Sec, Lew, FBR, w3st3d, too many to name..) for the re-assurance, success stories and answers to all of my questions.

Sorry for such a long post, but, the success stories really are confidence boosters and along with Practice, def makes the actual deed that much less stressful.

Truly hope this post helps others as they have helped me..

Soon as I get results, I will post in the RESULTS thread.

Thanks again..

w3st3d

bkdiezelz,

Ghost like Swayze!

Great post. You're all good! Congrats!

2xJones

I've got a pre-employment test coming up, don't quite know when yet, but it will likely be in the next 1 to 3 weeks. I've been abstaining for 8 full days at this point (187 lbs., 5'9", avg. metabolism), so unless the test is delayed beyond the 3 week point, I feel like I won't be clean. So, I think I am going to either dilute or sub., likely both (sub. with dilution backup).

I've read great things on this forum about the synthetic sub. products available, but have also been told that, even though unlikely, there are tests that can detect the synthetic stuff (I believe it was the IgG test or something similar).

My question is, and I've scoured the forums on this and no one seems to address this question directly, why not go with the dried or frozen mail order stuff over the synthetic stuff just to be on the safe side? Is the IgG test really so rare as to not be an issue, or....

Thanks for any help on this. This would be for a really good high-paying gig that I just can't afford to screw up!

lew scannon

The issue of IgG has already been addressed and answered. Go back to post#620 on page 62 of this thread.