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idiotjane

"One more tip. If you are using a condom, I don't tie the end of the condom. It is too risky in my humble opinion (IMHO) to try to puncture it to get your pee out. I take the condom with my 2+ ounces of pee in it and give it a spin, like you would a bread bag. Then double it over itself and use a wire tie (trash bag/bread bag type tie) with the ends rolled over them selves (to prevent puncture) and twist it tight to close the condom. To empty your condom, simply untwist the wire tie and let the condom untwist. Then place the open end of the condom in the cup and empty it. Check the temp on the side of the cup, and give it to the collector. Once again let me say PRACTICE. Practice carrying it in your crotch, practice emptying it into the cup, etc, just practice. "

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Yes, he was.

I had clean sub urine, but dint' have any bread ties and was terrified of leakage so went ahead and tied it off and used a pin. I was able to get it all into the sample cup... but it barely tested 91 degrees at that point, and by the time I got the condom back down my pants and cleaned up a bit it was too cold. I think squeezing it out of such a tiny hole and letting it cool in the air is too risky.

It's what I get for not practicing enough with a thermometer. Oh well. The lady at the test said that the worst that would happen would be a retest, and she sent it off to the lab anyway. I offered to come back later that day, or to sit in her office and drink some water until I could go again, but I'm sure she rejected the second idea on the grounds of dilution possibility. But nothing funny marked on the papers other than "no temperature registered" and *surely* not all of those temp strips are foolproof.

Either way, gives me two more days to practice. Has anyone heard of the lab taking a sample like that anyway? If the collector wasn't suspicious and didn't reject it immediately.... Will the neccessity for a retest be told to my employer?

Thanks.

 

IamN2pot

If it was a DOT test, the regulations state quite clearly that another sample under observation must be taken ASAP. As this was likly a non-DOT test, whatever the employer decides to do is up to them. They may accept it, ask for a retest, reject it, or ask for an observed retest. There is just no way of knowing what will happen in a non regulated test situation. N2

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puffindown

Today I went to a lab to get a pre-employment drug screen which was a SAP 6-50 / 2000 w /NIT and used the substitution method. I've been lurking on this forum for quite a while and decided to use the substitution method that is so often posted on this forum. I purchased the URN Luck Quick Fix from one of the many synthetic urine companies that are online for $29.95. THe only thing I was worried about was the temperature issue that goes with the substitution method. FOr the past 2 days I've been practicing and doing my best to get a feel for what the temperature would be after I heated it and after I went into the lab. THe heat source that came with the Qucik Fix did a great job of heating it up quick but I didn't feel comfortable using it because it was filled with some type of charcoal that could be easily heard. So, I went and bought some WellPatch air activated warming pads for a few dollars. These took longer to heat the urine up but remained at around 104 F consistently so I felt safer using them. I'm 32 and believe it or not this was my first time ever having to take a drug test. I couldn't believe how easy it was. I walked in, signed in, sat down in lobby for 5 mintures and then was called to the back. The lady then asked for my i.d., told me to wash my hands, empty my pockets into a basket, which she then placed in a locked cabinet. I then was taken to a bathroom that everyone uses and watched the lady put some tablets in the toilet so the water turned blue. SHe then told me not to flush or use the sink. SHe then closed the door and waited right outside while I did my business. I was hoping she wouldn't close the door herself because I was hoping to lock it but unfortunately she closed it for me. I then took the sample out of my double layered "tighty whities" and thankfully the urine was at 98 F. I poured it into the sample cup and then proceeded to urinate as I normally would into the toilet. Once done ( maybe 2 minutes) I opened the door and handed it to the lady who wasstanding right there. SHe then walked me back to a lab room and asked to verify and sign some papers that she was seperating the urine into 2 viles. SHe then gave me back my things that were in my pockets and I was out the door. Total time in lab/bathroom approx. 15 minutes. Sorry for the long post but I just wanted to let everyone know the process and ease the concerns anyone might be having . Now for the wait to see if synthetic urine works to pass tests like it is advertised to do.

idiotjane

Retest done. Apparently they reported it as a lab error. No observation. URNLuck QuickFix -- temp at 96 degrees when they read it.

Results atypical. Please do not be me!!!

reddogs

Hi,
I wasn't sure how to post without replying, but this is really to anyone who wants to listen. I have a test that will probably happen on Monday. Its weird. I was offered the job today, and asked to start on Monday. I said "Well, do you need me to go take a urine test this weekend?" trying to make it sound like I was trying to help the whole starting on Monday thing out. They said "no, we will go over all of that with you on Monday and you can just take care of it then". Hmmmm.

I haven't smoked in 36 days, but I totally flunked the home test. I guess I am just one of those people that it stays in their system a long time. I'm not hugely overweight or anything. But...

So, I've been testing a double bagged condom in my bra. I have large b**bs, so you totally can't see it. I'm going to use my hubbie's stuff. I have three concerns. One is temperature, so I am going to try some test runs. I tried it with one condom the other day and just got 93.5, but I'm hoping that is a fluke. Two is leakage. I'm working with the double bagged, bread tie thing. Third is smell. I have no earthly idea what time I will take the test. So...it could be pretty smelly by the time I get there. I'm hoping they will send me to the testing site alone and I can meet up with hubby on the way and get something fresh.

I appreciate any help anyone has, as well as talking me through this. The stress is killing me. BTW, thank GOD for this board.

 

idiotjane

"So, I've been testing a double bagged condom in my bra. I have large b**bs, so you totally can't see it. I'm going to use my hubbie's stuff. I have three concerns. One is temperature, so I am going to try some test runs. I tried it with one condom the other day and just got 93.5, but I'm hoping that is a fluke. Two is leakage. I'm working with the double bagged, bread tie thing. Third is smell. I have no earthly idea what time I will take the test. So...it could be pretty smelly by the time I get there. I'm hoping they will send me to the testing site alone and I can meet up with hubby on the way and get something fresh."

Glad you're doing the bread tie. The puncture really threw off the temperature. If I had to use a condom again my plan was to attempt to sneak a pair of fingernail clippers in and use that to puncture the tied-off condom as I had no bread ties or garbage bag ties.

For leakage tests, on trial runs over the weekend perhaps put some food coloring in the water and perhaps put a bit of white TP around it to sop up any leakage and show it well?

If you feel comfortable rinsing out a shampoo bottle or purchasing a small two-oz bottle with some temp strips and sub your hubbie's urine, I might recommend that. While the mode of transportation I chose to use was a tad bit uncomfortable (I have apparently very low body heat, even that way only registered 96, and I don't have a sports bra to use suboobstitution) having the temp strip on the bottle at all times made me feel better. Or even put it on the condom before you leave. I've also heard two one-oz bottles fit better into a bra, so that might be a consideration as well. My fear is that while it might heat up faster through a condom, it might lose heat faster as well.

Please be careful on the temperature, I can't stress it enough. Or if you do decide to be me, remember that social engineering is your friend. All in all I got out *very* lucky. When the temp didn't register I offered to try to pee again right there, or wait since I had brought a book, and she sent it to the lab anyway. When the boss called me to let me know the MRO needed to talk to me, I told her in a very straight-out voice that I was confused and said yes I was taking certain medications but none of them should have shown up. The MRO used the words that "the temperature of your specimen was never taken",. that they never ran the test, and asked me several questions (the standard ones, apparently. I told the truth, at least about medical conditions and last hospitalization or surgery, meds taken, etc. They asked if I drank excessive water, if the specimin was mine, and if I added anything to it (No, Yes, No). This was all for a "cancelled test" reported to my employer, with "Sample insufficient for testing" as the reason. They let me retest, and it was the same lady who collected my sample the first time. I chatted her up, and she didn't want to observe since it wasn't requested by my employer. (Who really wants to watch someone else pee into a cup?)

Good luck. But preparedness beats luck any day of the week. And remember that it truly is possible to conquer the butterflies and not knock your knees together as you expect your doom... But being confident in your method, several trial runs, and IMHO temp strips on your container, will help with the confidence factor. Truly an essential part of social engineering.

Too bad I can just bull**** well.

Jane

hillbilly420

I'm pretty sure that I've been told by more than one person that sex can be identified but on most it isn't even tested.

IamN2pot

The only way to test for the sex of a doner, is to do genetic testing. Genetic testing is NOT part of any durg test, so the sex of the doner can not be determined during drug testing. N2

Yesca

I can share two separate experiences using the Urinator. I work for a DOT regulated utitility company and am subject to random urinalysis tests, which, quite frankly, don't come up that often. In thirteen years of employment, I have only been tested twice, not counting pre-employment.

This fact does not lessen the stress of being under the DOT umbrella, however. I am mostly a weekend smoker, so I can probably pass the test with simple dilution, but even that has come under scrutiny in recent years. In my situation, if a sample is tested as too diluted, it is automatically re-tested using GC/MS at a 15nG cutoff. Not good. Our normal cutoff is 50nG using the EMIT test.

About three years ago, I learned of the Urinator, did some research, and purchased one. Until about five months ago, I had not had occasion to use it in a "live fire" environment, and I had gotten to the point where I wasn't confident in the viablility of the synthetic urine. I had tested the device numerous time at home using water, and it had performed perfectly everytime with regards to temperature, all the way up to the advertised four hour limit, and beyond. I just wasn't confident enough in the urine to risk my career.

Finally I got to the point where I had to know if the piss worked. I went to the very lab where all company piss tests are performed, and I paid to have the test done as a civilian. I followed the directions for the Urinator, and passed the unobserved test with flying colors, the same five panel test used for all DOT tests, at least in this part of the country.

The second shakedown test for the urinator came about three weeks later. A fellow employee had already failed a test for weed, and gone through all the requisite rehab bull**** the DOT requires. A second failed test would mean automatic termination. He has a family and a lot to lose.

Sure enough I got a desperate call one morning (he's the only one I've told about the device). I set the Urinator up for him, told him how to use it, and sent this very nervous man on his way.

He passed with little fanfare. No problems or worries.

This device absolutely works, and as far as I've been able to determine, is very reliable. Uncle John's urine is what we used, and it does exactly what it's supposed to do.

The only other thing I can say is, practice, practice, practice. It's a lot harder to use under fire.

If you think $150 is a lot of money, I'm here to tell you it's not. It's a pretty damn cheap price for peace of mind.

Sorry for the long post, but I feel like this is important.

Cheers.

werstillsmokin

I saw the urinator, it was 150.00.
Then I saw a very simular system for only 35.00.
Im just a poor pot head, what do ya think I did?

I bought the less expensive one. It comes with a surgical grade bag with an attached hose. This is one piece and does not leak. The bag is about 6" long and 2" wide. It will hold much more than is required without putting presure on the bag. Very cool. The kit also includes two little clip clamps for the hose, two bottles of syn urine, two hand worming pads that can be taped to the bag, some temp indicator strips to be stuck to the bag, even the tape you need is included.

The hose on the bag is long enough so you can place the bag any where you like. Here is what I did, used an ace wrap around my wast and placed the bag in the wrap with the hose going down between my crotch.
Went and took the test. No problems, the sample was 94 degrees, PH 7.2, creatinine level 70.2, these were the integrity checks. The rest of the test was neg of corse.

Hold the cup in your hand to worm it first. Take the hose out, undo the two clips, drean the bag, redo the clips, zip up, turn in the sample, and leave.

I think the web site is www.pretestedurine.com...(check my spelling)
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