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I know that natural urine has some foam with it, but excessive foam is one of the signs of adulteration or tampering. Be careful trying to duplicate that. To tell the truth, I don't notice any foam (bubbles) unless there is a lot of it. Urine without foam is more natural than urine with excessive foam. Don't worry about this subject.

 

nerphroll

Fair enough, thanks sec3.

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manatee54

"Does synthetic urine have that foaminess at the top that normal urine has, when you pour it into the cup? "

Great question.... The synthetic I've used did not foam.... However, my piss, when put in the cup first, would have some bubbles, depending on how I directed my stream... when directed to the side of the cup, no bubbles, in the middle, some bubbles, but they subsided quickly..... Both types of piss, seemed to behave the same way.... bubbles come from introducing air in the mix... so, piss directly onto itself , will bubble, and so will synthetic... the difference being, synthetic is usually coming out the tube via gravity...and real piss is getting propelled there by your muscles....

Make sense???

ruled_by_fear

I think it comes with that squirt lid so you can quietly just push that up and pour into cup instead of fumbling with taking the screw lid off. You can accomplish the task with the squirt lid easier and with one hand instead of screwing the lid off and sitting the cup down. I don't know for sure if it makes a sucking sound after emptied though that is a good question.

Overcast32

Ok - got a new job coming up, which I need - not want, I *need* this - since things didn't go so well at the last job.

I planned in advance! I'm a laid back kinda guy and didn't mesh well with the stuffy snobs on my old job - this being the case, I've had two bottles of Quick Fix sitting about for about 3/4 months - so I should be good there.

I'm a bit on the heavy side, so I find just putting the bottle from Quick Fix right between my leg and the rest of the 'equipment' seems to work ok - the temp registered about 96 degrees on the bottle, after just putting it there and letting it sit for 4 hours. I even went to eat lunch etc, within an hour or so, I forgot it was there, only time it came a bit out of place was getting back into the car.

I seem to be able to maintain the temp ok. Tomorrow, of the real test, I'm bringing both 2 OZ. bottles to the test, one against each leg. Before I pack them in my boxers I'm gonna let them sit in hot water for a while just to get that temp up there. I'd like to see 97/98 degrees tomorrow.

That brings me to the last question - I want to practice delivering this sample a couple times, but all I have are these pre-filled bottles of quick fix. Am I correct in assuming that the sample will remain viable if I dump it into another container for a bit, while I just use the bottle for practice? Then pour the real sample back in tomorrow before the test...

I'm going to bring 2 - 2OZ containers, as one place I tested (and failed - attempting to use dilution) requested about 4 OZ - two sample cups. I wanna be ready for this, just in case.

Thanks for any info I'd like to run this through a couple of real tests, but I want to be cautious about opening the sample before it's needed too.

BTW - I'll post either way and let you know the results. This test is being administered by Quest. As far as I know it's just a plain dip-stick test, I'll know for sure tomorrow.

 

lew scannon

Leave the QF in their original bottles. Use hot water in an old travel-size shampoo bottle (or similar) to practice the sample delivery phase instead.

philsluvslave

Just thought I would share our experience here, and let you all know that Substitution is as easy as it sounds! Here's our story...

My Husband got a call LAST NIGHT that he had a pre-employment drug test for his new job and he needed to take the test today. I have been lurking in these threads for a while, just because I knew my husband was looking for a new job and there would be a possibility he would be tested. We decided right away to go for Subbing (with my two year olds clean urine) rather than diluting because he is a daily smoker, and we didn't want there to be room for a positive outcome.

Practice:
Last night we went to Target and purchased a digital thermometer ($4.99) and a 4oz empty bottle with the squirt top that you twist open ($0.49). Came home and practiced with water at room temp. We heated water in the coffee pot and poured it into a thermos cup. Placed the 4oz bottle with room temp. water in the coffee cup and covered. (We tested the temp for over two hours and the water in the cup and in the bottle maintained a temperature of over 104 degrees. )
For our testing purposes we tested different possible time scenarios. We took the bottle out of the coffee cup of water after about an hour, and my husband placed it under his balls near his scrotum. We did one test where he had it there for about 15 minutes (in case he would be able to take the test immediately once he showed up at the clinic) and one where he wore it for at least two hours (in case there would be a wait) Both times, the water maintained a temp of about 100 degrees. By the time he poured the water into the cup, the temp was an ideal 97-98 degrees!

Real Test:
He took the real test today. This morning we collected my sons urine in a water bottle first thing when we woke up. Before he left for the test we heated up water in the coffee pot and put the hot water in the thermos cup just like last night along with the 4oz bottle of clean urine. Unfortunatly the situation wasn't ideal, he ended up having the hot cup of water in the car with the bottle of urine in it for over 4 hours (he had to take care of other paperwork at his job before he was sent to the clinic), but luckily it maintained a temp of 100 degrees. Before he got out of the car, he put it in place (he was also wearing two pairs of tightie whities) and walked into the clinic. Waited about 30 minutes and it was his turn. He said it was a piece of cake after that. He didn't really pee at all, just used the extra clean urine he had to pour into the toilet and made sure he got some on the cup and the seat. The whole thing took about a minute and half once he was in the restroom.
It was a perfect 98 degrees.

So it works, its easy as pie and its cheap! Like everyone else says, practice, just make sure you can maintain the temp. and make sure you are used to taking out the container when in the restroom. We did it with less than 24 hour notice and for under $10, so it can be done!!

Good luck and peace to all!

golfnut

I see this thing called the urinator and other similar devices but the urinator regulates the temp using batteries. if you can afford to smoke why is everyone looking for the cheap way to sub when you can make it much easier by spending a few more bucks? If anyone can explain why you would go through the thermometer, sticking a bottle in forbidden places, etc. other than a cost savings please correct me. Otherwise I cannot understand why you'd use any other way to facilitate subbing and take on all the additional factors, hassle and worries mentioned in the previous posts.

Even if I'm fully clean, I want to join the sub club out of principal because I completely disagree with these tests for pre-employment since you can snort, shoot or do just about anything else and be clear in a few days.

Please advise if you have some valid points regarding my post. Thanks in advance.

jaman

cant they ask you to take down your pants to check for things like Urinators ?

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subbin_it

I just joined the Sub Club this morning and feel as if a 200 lb. weight has been lifted from my shoulders. I had a friend w/ clean urine come w/ me and we stopped at a gas station right near the testing facility. He went in, filled a little cup, then I followed him and filled up my bag. This was a for a white-collar job and was not observed.

I used the apparatus at passyourdrugtest.com. After reading this board, I used N2's suggestion -- doubled up on tightie-whities, pulled high and tight, a pair of long johns, and baggie pants over all of that. I had a "hot hands" heating pad right on the bag and a little nozzle coming out of that. The lady there didn't even ask me to empty my pockets. After waiting almost an hour, I was led into a small bathroom, and left alone to do my business. I held the cup tightly to warm it up a little.

Since I'd practiced so much, I had it down to a science. I was letting the urine into the sample cup in one hand, and pissing in the toilet w/ the other hand. When I came out, the temp was a toasty 96 degrees. Perfect.

Thanks to everyone for the suggestions and help. I read almost the whole thread and after all those testomonials, I figured if all you stoners could do it, I could

Re: the batteries question, I'd just say, why bother? Mine was fine and the batteries seem like they'd add un-needed bulk. It's not a question of money, just comfort really. My setup was pretty sleek. You'd never notice it. I highly suggest walking around w/ it all strapped in, and practicing to see what methods work best for you, how long you can maintain the temp, etc.

Anyway, I just felt I owed it to you all to say a big THANK YOU for saving my keister.

Rock on.