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1tokeovertheline

You are paranoid. Calm down. If the temperature was right, you will be fine.

 

JackBauer

I am pretty sure videotaping you in the bathroom while drug testing is illegal. They would have just observed it.

Sec

Observing is also against the guidelines unless you give cause. Simply being required to take a drug test is not cause.

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JackBauer

I was trying to say they even had a right to observe, just that if it was observed, why videotape it for review at a later time instead of just using someone if the test called for observation. The poster didn't state if it was for a job or probation or court ordered but I was just sugessting why videotape instead of using somebody. Videotaping sounds kind of perverted too. Hell its one thing to be observed but another thing to make a record of it, gives me the creeps.

MrBazooka76

I may well be the newest member of the sub club. Was notified at a final job interview that I would have 48 hours to submit to a UA and knew that there was NO way I would pass using my own urine. Lurked on these forums and decided to sub based on all the success stories here.

I used my girlfriend's urine in a 4 ounce shampoo bottle with a screw-on cap (no flip top). She works at a lab and was able to bring me some specimen cups and some heat pads. The test is being sent to LabCorp for analysis.
It went off without a hitch and I will be expecting a call from the employer to come in for orientation.

Some things I learned:
1. I was leery of the 2oz bottles mentioned frequently in this forum. I'm glad I was. I had approximately 3.5oz of pee with me in my stash. When I was filling out paperwork the lab tech pulled out a HUGE cup (8-10oz with temp strip) and drew the line on the side of it, asking me if I thought I could fill it that far. She explained that if I could not fill it that far I would have to wait and then retest right then and there as LabCorp requires a certain amount for a split specimen. 3.5oz put me just barely over the line. Be careful with your bottle choice! Also I went with a 'flattened' bottle instead of a round one- less thickness for heat to penetrate.
2. Boxer briefs (3 pair) got me in and out just fine without the bottle slipping. I crotched between testes and ass- no tape or ace bandage. Wore jeans over everything.
3. Pee was collected this morning at 7am, stayed on heat packs until 9am, at which point it measured 89 degrees. At 9 I put the bottle in a 120 degree water bath for ~7 minutes, which raised the temp to 104. I crotched it until time to leave at 10:30, turned on heat in car and put heat packs in front of my crotch as I drove. Also took along hot water in tupperware for emergency heating, digi therm, paper towels, and tape. Be prepared for emergency! (except for if the bottle ruptures in waiting room- I don't know how you prepare for that!!! ...Pray?) Temp at test time (11am) was 98 degrees. Peed for a second in toilet, poured in contents, peed some more in toilet, and handed in my cup.
4. Walk in there like you own the place. Don't be a shaky bundle of nerves or you will make mistakes. Remember, they DON'T know you have a bottle of pee rubbing up against your junk. Answer questions in a clear firm voice and look them in the eye. Dress nicely and don't fidget while you're sitting in the waiting room. This is a performance, yes, but the only part you have to hide takes place in a locked bathroom with no observers! The rest of the process you need to complete as if you just peed out 4oz of 'never even heard of marijuana in my life' piss. That guy wouldn't be afraid to pee, and since you KNOW you have clean piss with you, you shouldn't be afraid either.
5. My bottle was 3/4 of the way full. I could hear a slight sloshing noise as I moved while going to the test. In practice I used a full bottle so I did not realize this could be a problem until it was too late to do anything about it. I recommend filling a 4oz bottle completely if possible to minimize weird noises. My GF had to get to her job and I had to make do with what I had. Next time I will use two peeing's worth and top that sucker off.
6. Read the forums here, practice, use your head, and get the job!

Thanks to all who have contributed usefully here. Don't think I would have attempted subbing without the advice found here but now I don't think I will ever dilute again. The 10 minutes of nervousness at the test center beat abstinence and freaking out about color and creatine any day.

Good luck to all, and thanks again for the advice!

 

JackBauer

That woman was FULL OF SHIT! We have a member/moderator who owns a collection center and I am almost positive on more than one occasion she has explained that 60 ccs is all that is required for a split sample and I think she said that it can actually be done with 45 ccs.

MrBazooka76

It seemed odd to me as well. This was my second occasion taking a UA at this particular Urgent Care and it was the same tech as the first time, in June. I know she wasn't a new employee there. The paperwork I was given by the employer to bring to the testing center does not mention the type of test either, just that it is going to LabCorp. The collector read over this paperwork carefully, as if she hasn't seen a lot of that particular form, then explained the process. I'm sure she was either full of shit or confused. Seriously- she wanted me to provide about 100cc's- and I've yet to hear of anything over 60cc's being necessary. Still- when you're sporting a hot bottle of pee nestled snugly into your nether-regions, it is probably best to keep mum and not object over anything you don't have to. The point is to play THIER game and beat them at it by being well prepared.

ShakingHand

It cleary states on the form that I am holding that 30ml is needed.

Was hoping someone could put my mind at ease... Sec 3!!!

Q1 My form says "3 Part Drug of Abuse Test Request" ... What is this?

Q2 The box next to "11202, 5 Panel" is checked, is this the same as the cheap at home tests?

I used QF, and everything was very simple...like I expected THANKS TO ALL OF THE PREVIOUS POSTS...THANKS TO EVERYONE THAT CONTRIBUTED. I didn't use a heating pad, just taped the bottle under my boys and read 97 w/ a digital thermometer.

I tested the QF w/ my at home 5 panel, (adulterants included), and it passed with flying colors.

I know it is said here a thousand times, but just for s&g's, someone tell me that I will be okay using QFv4.......stressed out.

Sec

You had a single, as opposed to a "split" specimen. That requires only 30mL of urine. A split specimen at most will only require 60 mL of urine. There just is no place to put any more. Only two vials are sent with a split specimen, each 30 mL. Those requiring more are bad collection places and if possible, you should avoid them.

a "3 part drug of abuse test request" only means that you had a 3-part form. The original for the lab, which is forwarded to the MRO and a scanned image of the original is then available to the employer. The second copy is the Donor copy, the third of the 3-part form is then retained by the collector.

You had the same 5-panel that the cheap at home tests use. Probably tested for Amphetamines, including Meth, Cocaine, THC, Opium, and if the amphetamines is not separated into amphetamines and methamphetamines, they test for PCP as well.

If you used Quick Fix, you should have no problems what-so-ever.

JackBauer

You know I am almost positive those specimen bottles (not the cup) are 30 ccs each and if it requires two split samples, how the hell is she going to cram 100ccs in two 30 cc bottles. I don't feel like going back through the posts but I think there was discussion of this before and if it is split it only has to be 30 ccs in one bottle, 15 in the other but sometimes the collectors just like to do both at 30. You are right that it is best not to make noise and play by their rules but you should also know your "rights."

Sec3 if you read this what could someone do if they provided 60 ccs and the collector wanted to reject or make them wait and provide another sample? Could you ask them to write on the form the reason for rejection is "Only provided 60ccs" and then object to the collector's first request of 100 ccs and go from there because someone would see 60ccs was enough?