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Martok · 03-11-2008, 09:13 AM

What do you guys use to top the quick fix bottle off? I can hear a swishing sound when I conceal it in my underwear when I walk, should I top it off with some distilled water?

HIfor28plus · 03-11-2008, 01:46 PM

I would either squeeze the bottle before capping it so no air is left, try a different bottle or get another bottle of QF to top it off, adding water would be a very bad idea as it may change the ph of your sample, or worse.

Martok · 03-12-2008, 07:10 PM

I passed the test with QF, i'm a happy man, thanks for all of your guys' advice.

Chicano36 · 03-13-2008, 04:40 PM

New member here. All I can say is practice really does make perfect. I was bill nye the science guy for three days and it went soo smooth. temp temp temp

Quote:

"luckily mine went smooth, but my handwriting looked like an 80 year old's".....

This is the funniest shit....mine was like that too, haha

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Jervis · 03-19-2008, 01:49 AM

Just as a heads up to anyone who manages to get this far,

Like most others I have a pre-employment test. I've been clean for 3-4 weeks but after taking a home test and failing I really started to freak out. Luckily I found this board.

Supplies purchased from my local K-Mart:
1 "On The Go!" Soft Touch 4oz Dispenser (.99 cents)
1 5 Second Read Digital Thermometer (9.99)

As a test I filled the dispenser with hot water from the tap, took a thermometer reading at 95 degrees. Placed the dispenser at my taint (the area between the scrotum and anus) and pulled my boxer briefs up. Before even walking 4 feet... whoops the container slipped out.

Repeated above results with a tighter pair of briefs.

At first I was concerned that sitting on the container would burst it, but it seemed to shift forward a little bit and fit snuggly under my scrotum. I read this forum for about 45 minutes then took a temperature reading. 99 degrees.

I couldn't have hoped for a more perfect first trial, considering my only concern was the ability to retain a viable temperature.

Thanks a lot for the information!!

2testee · 03-21-2008, 04:05 AM

Just posting some notes on my experience as reading those of others helped me learn a lot and eased my stress...

I got a good job offer, contingent upon passing a pre-employment drug screen. I am a 230 lb. male, 5'8", slow metabolism, low activity level. Up until March 3 (17 days ago as of this posting) I was a pretty heavy smoker of high quality herb - about a quarter a week, sometimes less. I stopped when I found out about the drug screen, but given all that I have read I was not comfortable doing the dilution method. I bought some home tests at Rite Aid and of course tested positive. I did read the dilution thread and did a practice run about 10 days ago, and a home test came out negative following N2's advice. But I was still worried that if my specimen was tested using GC/MS which has a lower threshold that it might still come out positive. I did another home test using my first void of the day this morning, and it came out positive (there may have been a very faint line on the results stick, but I think I was seeing the whitish wax line that you can see if you hold it at an angle and not a true negative indicator).

So I decided to go the substitution route. I bought a bottle of QuickFix 4 at a local head shop. The proprietor swore by it and said he sold more of that than anything else there.

I received the Quest Diagnostics Forensic Drug Testing Custody and Control Form yesterday and decided to go in for my test today. On the form it indicated that the test to be performed was "6633N SAP 10-50 GC/MS". I've read elsewhere in this forum that this is a ten panel test at the 50 ng cutoff and that the GC/MS test would only be done if my specimen failed the initial screen. Mods, is that correct? Call me paranoid, but I was still worried that I might not pass the GC/MS test, so that is why I decided to substitute.

A couple other things I will point out for those that have not seen one of these forms. There is a "Reason for test" section on the form with several choices - Pre-employment, Random, Reasonable suspicion/cause, Post-accident, Promotion, Return to duty, Follow-up, Other. Nothing was selected on my form, and when I went in today the specimen collector asked me if it was for Pre-employment. I said yeas and she checked that box. There is also a section that says "Read specimen tempurature within 4 minutes. Is temperature between 90 degrees and 100 degrees F?" and then check boxes for "Yes" and "No, Enter Remark".

After that there is a box labelled "Specimen Collection" with check boxes for "Split", "Single", and "None Provided (Enter Remark)". After that there is a box labelled "Observed (Enter Remark)". This was unchecked, and I was not observed during the test.

Question for the mods or anyone else who might know - under what circumstances do they collect split or single? Is there any significance to that? In my case they marked single and just had me initial a single tube of collected specimen. Just wondering what, is anything, that signifies...

So, this morning I started the Dilution routine outlined by N2 just as a backup. I opened the warming pad that comes with the QF and let it warm up about an hour before I was going to leave my house. Once it was warm I nuked the bottle of QF (cap off) for about 8 seconds to bring it up to 98 degrees. Then I capped it, affixed the warming pad with rubber bands on the non-tempstrip side of the bottle, and then stuffed it between my scrotum and anus underneath two pairs of snug boxerbriefs (I tried it between the two pair of boxer briefs but was not satisfied it would stay in place). When my clear voids starting turning yellow (about 90 minutes after taking 10 crushed vitamin B2 tablets in gatorade - yuck!), I left for the test center about 10 minutes away.

Of course I took the wrong exit and turned a 10 minute trip into a 30 minute one. On the way I had to stop and pee at a fast food restaurant, and when I checked the QF bottle it was a nice 98 degrees. Yay!

I arrived at the test center and signed in. After about a 15 minute wait while I distractedly read a book (I don't even remember what I read), they called me back. It was a cramped office with the specimen collector sitting at her desk right outside the bathroom. She told me to empty my pockets into a lockbox (though she did not check toi verify they were empty) and leave my jacket on the chair. She told me to wash my hands at a sink that was right by the desk and not to use any soap. Then she gave me a bog cup. At first she said to fill it, and then she changed her mind (wtf?) and marked it with a pen and said "Just fill it up to here". So I went in to the bathroom and locked the door behind me. It was just a toilet that had blue water and nothing else. I pulled out my QF and poured it in slowly to minimize the glug-glug sound (though I don't think she would have heard me because the radio was on and she was yakking with her officemate). The QF filled the cup to about twice the line she said was required. It was about 94 degrees in the specimen cup. Then I peed in the toilet, stopping halfway as if I were filling the cup and then resuming. I stuffed the QF back in my shorts and took the cup to her. She poured about half of it into a tube which she sealed and asked me to sign. Before she did that though, I asked if I could wash my hands again. She told me to wait until she seaed the tube. It occurs to me that if you could get away with turning your back on the collector to wash your hands before the tube was sealed that you would have grounds for appeal should the test come back positive or dillute or whatnot. But no dice this time.

She checked the box indicating the temperature was in acceptable range. On the Remarks section she wrote (I think - hard to read) "Retraced date seal A". Seems pretty inocuous, but does that mean anything I should be concernec about?

So she had me initial the tube and then sign the form. For a second or two I totally blanked on the date - and not just the day but the month too! I think I was in some kind of fugue state after all the stress and worry, even though I was outwardly calm. Anyway, everything was cool. I collected my stuff and gave her a cheerful goodbye and was on my way.

I'm still a bit paranoid and will be until I find out the results (or start work on March 31 which would be an implicit negative result, wouldn't it?) I can't help but worry that they will somehow be able to find out the QF is not real pee and will nail me on it. I know I am just being paranoid...but that's how you feel after duping a drug test.

Long post, I know, but I just wanted to share my experience since reading about others' experiences here really helped me a lot. Thanks for everything.

MrResinFingers · 03-26-2008, 06:11 PM

Just joined the Sub Club today and all I can say is

. Mine wasn't a very sensitive test, just a quick and easy pre employment screen. Either way I had to register here to say thanks to everyone, especially N2, for sharing their tips and experience. Of course the key was the practice like everyone said. I had a full night to prepare and the most expensive part of the whole job was the $10 for 2 pairs of boxer briefs. I started with a cold bottle of water and got it up to 96* when I poured it in the cup. From there the stress starts to melt away. I used warm water for the next tests and tried different lengths of time all the way up to 2 hours. The result, though, was always the same: 96* after poured into a plastic cup.

Honestly I wish I'd known how easy this was sooner. I began to abstain 3 weeks ago and there was no reason for it. This was actually the retest for my failed dillution attempt 2 days ago. Now I wish I'd never wasted the $30 on the drink. When it came time to try the dillution method I was all water. I guess "failed" is the wrong term but I definitely didn't want to do it again.

I had my nonsmoking roommate fill the bottle before he went to work this morning so there's no chance it's all water. I'm pretty sure it was his first void of the day. I knew I was running to the job, picking up the form, running home, warming the sample and going to the site. The drive was 20 mins and since there was no one there I was in the bathroom doing the sub within another 5 mins. Now I wonder if blasting the heater in the car till I started sweating was even necessary. Either way I went in there, poured the sample in the cup, drained the lizard and left some on the seat.

So, again, a HUGE thanks to everyone for the peace of mind. Nothing beats that big smile that I couldn't resist as I drove home. It's amazing that it really was as easy as N2 says in the first post. No ace bandages, no heating pads and it's still very easy.

Plastic Bottle: $1.00 @ Target
Boxer Briefs: $10.00 @ Walmart
Roommates' Sample: $25.00 for finally having to get him a birthday present (2 weeks late)
Driving away with a

: Priceless

**Sec** · 03-26-2008, 10:48 PM

Quote:

Plastic Bottle: $1.00 @ Target
Boxer Briefs: $10.00 @ Walmart
Roommates' Sample: $25.00 for finally having to get him a birthday present (2 weeks late)
Driving away with a

: Priceless

Peeing on the seat: Unnecessary

Eric420 · 03-28-2008, 03:56 AM

Do you really need a thermoeter? I was thinking of just getting my friend's piss that is clean and put it in the bottle and place it near my crotch to keep it warm like that.. Since they can't detect age or sex right?

FXjohn · 03-28-2008, 08:39 AM

do you really need a thermometer? well, they'll be checking the temp, so how are you going to know???

03-21-2008, 04:05 AM	#906
2testee New Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 3 Grams: 748.60 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	My experience with subbing... Just posting some notes on my experience as reading those of others helped me learn a lot and eased my stress... I got a good job offer, contingent upon passing a pre-employment drug screen. I am a 230 lb. male, 5'8", slow metabolism, low activity level. Up until March 3 (17 days ago as of this posting) I was a pretty heavy smoker of high quality herb - about a quarter a week, sometimes less. I stopped when I found out about the drug screen, but given all that I have read I was not comfortable doing the dilution method. I bought some home tests at Rite Aid and of course tested positive. I did read the dilution thread and did a practice run about 10 days ago, and a home test came out negative following N2's advice. But I was still worried that if my specimen was tested using GC/MS which has a lower threshold that it might still come out positive. I did another home test using my first void of the day this morning, and it came out positive (there may have been a very faint line on the results stick, but I think I was seeing the whitish wax line that you can see if you hold it at an angle and not a true negative indicator). So I decided to go the substitution route. I bought a bottle of QuickFix 4 at a local head shop. The proprietor swore by it and said he sold more of that than anything else there. I received the Quest Diagnostics Forensic Drug Testing Custody and Control Form yesterday and decided to go in for my test today. On the form it indicated that the test to be performed was "6633N SAP 10-50 GC/MS". I've read elsewhere in this forum that this is a ten panel test at the 50 ng cutoff and that the GC/MS test would only be done if my specimen failed the initial screen. Mods, is that correct? Call me paranoid, but I was still worried that I might not pass the GC/MS test, so that is why I decided to substitute. A couple other things I will point out for those that have not seen one of these forms. There is a "Reason for test" section on the form with several choices - Pre-employment, Random, Reasonable suspicion/cause, Post-accident, Promotion, Return to duty, Follow-up, Other. Nothing was selected on my form, and when I went in today the specimen collector asked me if it was for Pre-employment. I said yeas and she checked that box. There is also a section that says "Read specimen tempurature within 4 minutes. Is temperature between 90 degrees and 100 degrees F?" and then check boxes for "Yes" and "No, Enter Remark". After that there is a box labelled "Specimen Collection" with check boxes for "Split", "Single", and "None Provided (Enter Remark)". After that there is a box labelled "Observed (Enter Remark)". This was unchecked, and I was not observed during the test. Question for the mods or anyone else who might know - under what circumstances do they collect split or single? Is there any significance to that? In my case they marked single and just had me initial a single tube of collected specimen. Just wondering what, is anything, that signifies... So, this morning I started the Dilution routine outlined by N2 just as a backup. I opened the warming pad that comes with the QF and let it warm up about an hour before I was going to leave my house. Once it was warm I nuked the bottle of QF (cap off) for about 8 seconds to bring it up to 98 degrees. Then I capped it, affixed the warming pad with rubber bands on the non-tempstrip side of the bottle, and then stuffed it between my scrotum and anus underneath two pairs of snug boxerbriefs (I tried it between the two pair of boxer briefs but was not satisfied it would stay in place). When my clear voids starting turning yellow (about 90 minutes after taking 10 crushed vitamin B2 tablets in gatorade - yuck!), I left for the test center about 10 minutes away. Of course I took the wrong exit and turned a 10 minute trip into a 30 minute one. On the way I had to stop and pee at a fast food restaurant, and when I checked the QF bottle it was a nice 98 degrees. Yay! I arrived at the test center and signed in. After about a 15 minute wait while I distractedly read a book (I don't even remember what I read), they called me back. It was a cramped office with the specimen collector sitting at her desk right outside the bathroom. She told me to empty my pockets into a lockbox (though she did not check toi verify they were empty) and leave my jacket on the chair. She told me to wash my hands at a sink that was right by the desk and not to use any soap. Then she gave me a bog cup. At first she said to fill it, and then she changed her mind (wtf?) and marked it with a pen and said "Just fill it up to here". So I went in to the bathroom and locked the door behind me. It was just a toilet that had blue water and nothing else. I pulled out my QF and poured it in slowly to minimize the glug-glug sound (though I don't think she would have heard me because the radio was on and she was yakking with her officemate). The QF filled the cup to about twice the line she said was required. It was about 94 degrees in the specimen cup. Then I peed in the toilet, stopping halfway as if I were filling the cup and then resuming. I stuffed the QF back in my shorts and took the cup to her. She poured about half of it into a tube which she sealed and asked me to sign. Before she did that though, I asked if I could wash my hands again. She told me to wait until she seaed the tube. It occurs to me that if you could get away with turning your back on the collector to wash your hands before the tube was sealed that you would have grounds for appeal should the test come back positive or dillute or whatnot. But no dice this time. She checked the box indicating the temperature was in acceptable range. On the Remarks section she wrote (I think - hard to read) "Retraced date seal A". Seems pretty inocuous, but does that mean anything I should be concernec about? So she had me initial the tube and then sign the form. For a second or two I totally blanked on the date - and not just the day but the month too! I think I was in some kind of fugue state after all the stress and worry, even though I was outwardly calm. Anyway, everything was cool. I collected my stuff and gave her a cheerful goodbye and was on my way. I'm still a bit paranoid and will be until I find out the results (or start work on March 31 which would be an implicit negative result, wouldn't it?) I can't help but worry that they will somehow be able to find out the QF is not real pee and will nail me on it. I know I am just being paranoid...but that's how you feel after duping a drug test. Long post, I know, but I just wanted to share my experience since reading about others' experiences here really helped me a lot. Thanks for everything.

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03-11-2008, 09:13 AM	#901
Martok New Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 34 Grams: 919.55 Groans: 0 Groaned at 2 Times in 1 Post Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	What do you guys use to top the quick fix bottle off? I can hear a swishing sound when I conceal it in my underwear when I walk, should I top it off with some distilled water?

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03-11-2008, 01:46 PM	#902
HIfor28plus New Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 7 Grams: 825.40 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	I would either squeeze the bottle before capping it so no air is left, try a different bottle or get another bottle of QF to top it off, adding water would be a very bad idea as it may change the ph of your sample, or worse.

03-12-2008, 07:10 PM	#903
Martok New Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 34 Grams: 919.55 Groans: 0 Groaned at 2 Times in 1 Post Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	I passed the test with QF, i'm a happy man, thanks for all of your guys' advice.

03-19-2008, 01:49 AM	#905
Jervis New Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 1 Grams: 725.75 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	Just as a heads up to anyone who manages to get this far, Like most others I have a pre-employment test. I've been clean for 3-4 weeks but after taking a home test and failing I really started to freak out. Luckily I found this board. Supplies purchased from my local K-Mart: 1 "On The Go!" Soft Touch 4oz Dispenser (.99 cents) 1 5 Second Read Digital Thermometer (9.99) As a test I filled the dispenser with hot water from the tap, took a thermometer reading at 95 degrees. Placed the dispenser at my taint (the area between the scrotum and anus) and pulled my boxer briefs up. Before even walking 4 feet... whoops the container slipped out. Repeated above results with a tighter pair of briefs. At first I was concerned that sitting on the container would burst it, but it seemed to shift forward a little bit and fit snuggly under my scrotum. I read this forum for about 45 minutes then took a temperature reading. 99 degrees. I couldn't have hoped for a more perfect first trial, considering my only concern was the ability to retain a viable temperature. Thanks a lot for the information!!

03-26-2008, 06:11 PM	#907
MrResinFingers New Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 1 Grams: 602.50 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	Just joined the Sub Club today and all I can say is . Mine wasn't a very sensitive test, just a quick and easy pre employment screen. Either way I had to register here to say thanks to everyone, especially N2, for sharing their tips and experience. Of course the key was the practice like everyone said. I had a full night to prepare and the most expensive part of the whole job was the $10 for 2 pairs of boxer briefs. I started with a cold bottle of water and got it up to 96* when I poured it in the cup. From there the stress starts to melt away. I used warm water for the next tests and tried different lengths of time all the way up to 2 hours. The result, though, was always the same: 96* after poured into a plastic cup. Honestly I wish I'd known how easy this was sooner. I began to abstain 3 weeks ago and there was no reason for it. This was actually the retest for my failed dillution attempt 2 days ago. Now I wish I'd never wasted the $30 on the drink. When it came time to try the dillution method I was all water. I guess "failed" is the wrong term but I definitely didn't want to do it again. I had my nonsmoking roommate fill the bottle before he went to work this morning so there's no chance it's all water. I'm pretty sure it was his first void of the day. I knew I was running to the job, picking up the form, running home, warming the sample and going to the site. The drive was 20 mins and since there was no one there I was in the bathroom doing the sub within another 5 mins. Now I wonder if blasting the heater in the car till I started sweating was even necessary. Either way I went in there, poured the sample in the cup, drained the lizard and left some on the seat. So, again, a HUGE thanks to everyone for the peace of mind. Nothing beats that big smile that I couldn't resist as I drove home. It's amazing that it really was as easy as N2 says in the first post. No ace bandages, no heating pads and it's still very easy. Plastic Bottle: $1.00 @ Target Boxer Briefs: $10.00 @ Walmart Roommates' Sample: $25.00 for finally having to get him a birthday present (2 weeks late) Driving away with a : Priceless

03-28-2008, 03:56 AM	#909
Eric420 New Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 11 Grams: 781.15 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	Do you really need a thermoeter? I was thinking of just getting my friend's piss that is clean and put it in the bottle and place it near my crotch to keep it warm like that.. Since they can't detect age or sex right?

03-28-2008, 08:39 AM	#910
FXjohn Jr. Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 239 Grams: 1,940.55 Groans: 5 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts Thanks: 3 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	do you really need a thermometer? well, they'll be checking the temp, so how are you going to know???

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