spooked

Went in for the usual procedure, but this time the tester was a hospital toxicology lab, not Quest or Labcorps. Got a phone call from the lab asking me to call them back, no answer. But I'm thinking that the only reason they'd call me instead of the employer calling me is for a re-test. Subbed using Quick Fix Batch F11L-07 in a sealed 5.7 box (bought from ebay since the manufacturer doesn't sell to this state). Now I'm basically screwed and have to rely on dilution, so this job is probably out the window along with my reputation. Why would Spectrum Labs send out batches that are within a few months of expiration? Yeah, I know, I should've checked it out with adulteration strips, but thought the batch was within spec since it's not 2 years old (but I shouldn't have even gotten 2 year old stuff anyway).

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You have no idea why they called you. There is such a thing as a fatal flaw. For example, if the collector didn't have you initial the seal on the vials.

I have actaully had a test destroyed or leaked out during shipping. If your test is a pre-employment and is destroyed in shipping, they would need to re-collect a specimen.

It could have nothing to do with the specimen itself, it might be one of the examples I gave or any other fatal flaw.

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True, and thanks for the reply, but everything I did was by the book, and the collection site was only 2 blocks from the hospital. So it could be one of your scenarios (which I hope it was), but that batch of Quick Fix is pretty close to expiring, and things usually work out the worst way possible for me, so it would be *really* nice if it was one of those, but I'm expecting it to be very bad news.

I'll post again once I find out why they called.

spooked

Confirmed. Creatine level is too low. The shelf life of Quick Fix is NOT 2 years, as they say on their website and as other people have said. And just to further warn people, I got it from ebay from the seller that pops up at the top of the list when you do a search, so don't buy from him since he's selling old, expired product (he might have new stuff, but who knows unless you open it).

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How was this confirmed?

lew scannon

Your QF batch was manufactured in Nov '07 (as indicated by the F11L-07 code) making it nearly 2 years old as of this writing. The actual shelf life is 18-24 months, according to Spectrum Labs.

What makes you think of this? For all you and I know, that fleabay vendor couldve had that batch in stock unsold for much much longer than a few months. I came across vendors that still have QF 3.0's and early 4.0's (batch codes ending in 03-04) in their inventory, although these two have been recalled by Spectrum a long time ago.

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Yeah, he could've. However, he represented the boxes I was getting as being dropped off by UPS a few weeks before I bought them. Apparently he lied. Never trust anybody, I guess. What's a good way to "out" him and let people know that he's selling expired product (aside from mentioning him in an earlier post )?

And to the other poster - the low creatinine level was confirmed by the MRO, which is pretty definitive, IMO.

Sec

Why not complain to Ebay. Post a dissatisfied customer complaint. Also, while you are at it, be sure to tell Ebay that they are allowing a vendor on their website that is selling an a product to a person in a State where that product is ILLEGAL.

See how fast Ebay pulls all synthetic urine off their website.

spooked

Eh, I thought about doing that, but there are some vendors there that actually do people a good service, IMHO. Hell, I would've been super-happy that I could get it if it wouldn't have been expired and actually worked! I do plan on getting it another way and not trusting eBay. I personally think that the whole war on weed is ridiculous and pretty much any way the little people can fight the man (yeah, overused rhetoric, sorry) is worth keeping around. Otherwise, how can I enjoy the green stuff if I have to abstain all the time due to the whole farce of pre-employment drug tests (yes, they're necessary for some jobs, but computer techs or other similar jobs? Gimme a break).

spooked

Just to follow up, the place did a split specimen collection and wasn't going to allow a re-test, just a test of the second sample (at my expense, of course, which was $150). But the employer apparently pulled some strings and they allowed a supervised retest. Had about 3 days, so followed the dilution method, and went in today. Home test from Walgreen's showed negative, creatine loading was about 20g per day, which resulted in the well-known toilet-sitting side effect, but hopefully the employer/lab just went for the cheap/standard test this time too. Should hear back next week.