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oneluv4boognish

I heard that they test for those detox drinks like Vale....anyone know the scoop on that?

 

grillmeats

I heard they can detect Golden Seal.

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fattieMcGee

Sorry - I've already posted this question, but N2 I was hoping you might know.

My test is 1793N SAP 9-50 GC/MS at Quest. Know what this means? Do they only use GC/MS to confirm an EMIT - cause I think I'll pass that, but not sure about a GC/MS.

Any input would really help...

[53]

Sorry to flood this thread even more with questions that might not be able to get answered, but I do have a good question in amongst all this.

So it's pretty much known throughout that traces of THC like to store themselves in fat cells, or fatty parts of your body and whatever...
I have been reading now for a few days, and I see lots of people telling age/height/weight/ what they think their metabolism is..

I'm going to try and take that extra step here..
what about BODY FAT %?

now I'm 6'1, 136 lbs. (yah im a twig) but I've got a HUGE appetite...i'm not very active at all, I walk to work, other than that I sit, and stand.. I work at burger king, where i have for the last 6 months.. The 5 days a week that I work, I eat 2-3 whoppers, large amounts of fries and chicken tenders..
(no not in one sitting)
I should be a blimp but I have only gained 3 pounds since I started this 6 months ago..
my body fat is extremely low at less than 5% (edit, I had to be sure, and tested moments ago)
Is this going to help me when it comes time to flush my system out.. or possibly even make it un necessary?

I average 1 gram per day, 2g on my days off..
on my days off I have been smoking "Mazar"

katz

ok, so I haven't heard anything, and have just finished my second week of training. So they've shelled out all kinds of money on my in class course and hotel accomodations, and will be paying a portion of my gas and paying all food. I chatted with one of the woman there, and just in passing she had mentioned about someone elses drug test. I guess she asked one of the upper management people how it went, because she had friends who smoke....aka herself...lol and I guess he said not to worry about it. So now, I feel much, much better. I guess it's not a big deal to smoke, because they are looking for more hard core ****.

awesome, I'm in the clear. And all tests I found out, are random. so i could get another tomorrow for all I know....oh my.

 

Hawg

Just keep a bottle of Quick Fix handy for those sudden randoms, at least you have a fighting chance that way.

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dankeveryday

hey im 6'3' 200' pounds in the military so i exercise 2 times a day. I recently smoked 2 hits from a bubbler and 1 kinda ash hit. I took the hits on thursday night and i (might) have a urine test on monday. What do i need to do

wizza

here it is 6:53 i have to go take a drug test at 9:00am tomarrow and i have drank about 2 16 once glasses of cranberry juice am i gonna be clean

binger00

Wanted to let everyone know my situation, since I took my test on Monday the 28th and passed. I have been looking at this site for a few weeks, I knew I had my test a couple weeks before I took it and got some great advice. I am 5'9 215 lbs (very very low metabolism- i dont eat, therefore, cant burn fat) and had not smoked at the time of the test for 19 days. I followed N2's dilution solution almost to the letter, but add some GNC's Strip Natural Cleanser about 3 hours before my test, because I had bought it before I read this board and wanted to use it. I loaded up on the creatine monohydrate (also from gnc) about 4 days before, took the aspirin, drank the recommended amount of gatorade and took my B complex and multivitamin. Also, when replentishing my voids, I did not measure 3-4 ozs... just took a guess. Wanted to say thanks for the help, I am sure since with my metabolism that I would not have gotten good results without this method and wish luck to anyone who has to take their test.

Xbongwaterx

I found this article today and thought I'd post... it pretty much backs up N2's theory on dilution. I plan to try the dilution method in a couple weeks when I have my test - it worked for me before (smoked 1/8 over a weekend, had 14 days to get clean, I'm 5'2 and medium metabolism, 20 lbs overweight). Anyway, thought this was interesting even though it is a bit long... - J

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Urine Dilution:
The Problem, It's Detection and Policy Responses
Leo Kadehjian, Ph.D., Biochemistry

One of drug users’ resources in their attempts to thwart detection through drug testing is dilution of their urine specimens through excess fluid consumption. After consumption of 1 liter of fluids shortly before a drug test, urine drug/metabolite concentrations can be reduced several-fold and remain diluted for a few hours. This may allow a drug user to escape detection by reducing the concentration of any drugs/metabolites present in the specimen to levels below the screening assay cut-offs. Current federally-regulated drug testing programs specifically limit the amount of fluids allowed when donating a specimen, in part to minimize opportunities for dilution. Dilution should not be confused with adulteration, where chemical adulterants are directly added to a urine specimen. Many products intended for oral consumption and claiming to help “rid the body of toxins” are sold over the Internet. Although these “body cleansing” products may claim to “rid the body of toxins” (i.e. help beat the drug tests), they appear to be effective only because of the large amounts of water the user is instructed to consume along with the teas or powders. Consumption of excess fluids is the most effective way to dramatically increase urine production rates and produce dilute urine specimens. Diuretics, prescribed for those with high blood pressure, increase urine production rates to only a few mL/ min compared to a typical 1 mL/min urine production rate. The same is true for alcohol, with only a few mL/min increase in urine production rate. However excess water consumption of 1–2 liters can lead to dramatic increases in urine production rates to 10 or even 20 mL/min!
Although the consumption of excess fluids to avoid detection is commonly called “flushing”, this term is misleading. The excess fluid consumption and increased urine production rates are not causing a more rapid elimination of drugs/metabolites from the body. Rather, the same amount of drug and metabolites are being cleared through the kidneys, but they now are being sent to the bladder with a much greater amount of water, and so diluting the measured concentration. It is also important to understand that although a user may escape detection through dilution, the test results are nonetheless scientifically “accurate” in determining the level of drug in the specimen (that is, drug/metabolite concentrations in dilute specimens may be below the assay cut-offs with the assay giving the scientifically correct below cut-off “negative” result). Although a drug user may be able to easily dilute their urine by a factor of 5 or more, for many drugs the urine concentrations may be so high that even a 5–10 fold dilution will not allow a drug user to reduce their urine levels below the established cut-offs. For cocaine users, typical urine levels of cocaine metabolite are on the order of many tens of thousands of ng/mL and even higher, so even a 10- fold dilution will still leave urine levels well above the screening cut-off values (300 ng/mL of cocaine metabolite) . The same can be true of opiates and amphetamines, simply because of the large doses of these drugs which are commonly consumed by abusers and the very high resulting urine concentrations. However, after the body has had some time after dosing to metabolize and eliminate these drugs/metabolites and their urine levels are reduced to only a few thousand ng/mL, then dilution may allow a user even of large amounts of drug to escape detection. In contrast, for cannabinoid consumption, the urine levels are typically on the order of only a few hundred ng/mL and accordingly a 5–10 fold dilution of urine may easily allow a user of cannabis to avoid detection with the conventional 50 ng/mL screening cut-off.

Measuring Dilution
There are several methods which can be used to identify and measure the extent of dilution of a urine specimen. Clearly diligent collector observation of the nature of the specimen is important. For objective scientific assessments, the two most common tests are for specific gravity and creatinine. Although some have argued for their preferences between these two, both have been recognized as appropriate markers. Note that such specimen validity testing is currently authorized under federally-regulated workplace drug testing programs, but it is not mandatory.

Specific gravity
Specific gravity measures the density of a urine specimen relative to that of pure water (which by definition has a specific gravity of 1.000). It can be easily and reliably measured on-site using a hand-held refractometer, which provides an indication of the specific gravity by measuring the refractive index of the urine specimen. Urine specimens have specific gravities greater than water because of the many dissolved substances and are typically around 1.025. Current regulations established by the Department of Health and Human Services (DHHS) and the Department of Transportation (DOT) for federally-regulated workplace urine drug testing programs have established 1.003 as the lower cut-off for specific gravity (for DHHS in the National Laboratory Certification Program, Program Document #35, 9/28/98, and for DOT in 54 FR 49854, 12/1/89). This cut-off reflects approximately an 8-fold dilution from typical levels.

Creatinine
Creatinine is a metabolic by-product formed primarily from the breakdown of protein within the body and eliminated in the urine. About the same total amount of creatinine is eliminated each day and so its concentration in urine can be used us a marker for the extent of urine dilution. Typical urine creatinine concentrations are on the order of 150 mg/dL. Current DHHS and DOT regulations have established 20 mg/dL as a cut-off for indicating a dilute specimen. Again, this cut-off reflects an approximately 8-fold dilution from typical levels. Creatinine may be roughly measured on-site using specially designed urine dipsticks. More accurate measurements can be made on typical laboratory automated analyzers. Creatinine is to be distinguished from creatine, which is used as a dietary supplement by body builders. The difference between creatine and creatinine is a molecule of water. The urine tests for creatinine do not cross-react with creatine. However, oral loading with significant amounts of creatine (e.g. 5–10 g/day) can increase urine levels of creatinine, but not significantly so.

Policy Responses
In the DHHS and DOT federally-regulated urine drug testing programs, both creatinine and specific gravity must be below their respective cut-offs before a specimen is considered unacceptably dilute. However the Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC) drug testing program specifies that either of these markers is sufficient to indicate a specimen as dilute. (54 FR 24468, 6/7/89). Under the DOT program, if a specimen is shown to be highly dilute, the only sanction imposed is that the next time a specimen is demanded of that donor, it must be collected under direct observation. Unfortunately, this response does not effectively address the ability of a drug user to again provide a dilute specimen! The NRC has proposed that dilute specimens be subjected to testing at a reduced cut-off, but this has only been published as a Proposed Rule and has not been established as a Final Rule (61 FR 21105, 5/9/96). Furthermore, there is some discussion surrounding the appropriateness of the specific cut-offs established to indicate dilution. The DHHS has published on its web site their basis for selecting the cut-offs for creatinine and specific gravity, including the references to the research they reviewed. (www.health.org/workplce/ urinesubs.htm).
I recommend that the provision of a dilute specimen be considered unacceptable and should be met with appropriate sanctions. Of course excessively dilute specimens should nonetheless still be forwarded to the laboratory for testing as they may still test positive. An approach like that proposed by the NRC could also be implemented where dilute specimens are tested at a lower cut-off, or even at the limit of detection of the assay. However caution should be exercised whenever different donor specimens are treated differently, ensuring that there is a sound and non-discriminatory basis for doing so. Rather, I recommend that all persons subject to drug testing should be informed at the outset that they will be expected to provide a fresh, clean, unadulterated, and undiluted specimen; that they will be provided a limited amount of time and limited access to fluids in which to provide an adequate specimen; and that any failure to provide an adequate specimen absent a documented medical condition will be considered a failure to comply with the conditions of the testing program, with appropriate sanctions, depending upon the testing context. To conservatively allow for the possibility that a donor simply does not understand their responsibilities, kidney physiology and dilution, and may have innocently consumed excess fluids prior to donating a specimen, perhaps the first time a donor submits a dilute specimen they may be reminded of the policy regarding excessively dilute specimens being unacceptable. A recurrence would then trigger appropriate sanctions.

Conclusion
Although efforts to reduce urine drug/metabolite concentrations below screening cut-offs through dilution may be effective, there are objective tests to measure dilution, and policy responses to minimize the effectiveness of these efforts.

Selected References
E. Cone et al., In Vivo Adulteration: Excess Fluid Ingestion Causes False-Negative Marijuana and Cocaine Urine Test Results, J. Anal. Toxicol., 22, 460 (1998).
M. Elbert, The Use of Creatinine and Specific Gravity Measurement to Combat Urine test Dilution, Fed. Prob., 61 (4) 3 (1997)
P. Lafolie et al., Importance of Creatinine Analyses of Urine When Screening for Abused Drugs, Clin. Chem., 37 (11), 1927 (1991).




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