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grillmeats

rugger12 thanks for the great post!

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trying2pass

That is a great post.
Gives me (and I am sure others) an added boost of confidence.

One question however...

After reading this I am "assuming" that it is impossible for the creatine level
to be too high?

I have searched the forums for all post containing the word "creatine"
and did find that this question had been asked once already, but did not recieve a reply.

Thanks.
And again, this site and these forums have been a great help.

grillmeats

don't take too much, you'll have problem on the toilet

lew scannon

And correctly so. Theres no upper limits established for creatinine. When creatinine is being checked, labs are looking for low readings to determine a diluted sample. Any sample with a creatinine level under 20 ng is considered "too-dilute".

However, as GM indicated, overloading on the creatine supplements can have dire gastrointestinal consequences.

OntheWagon

I've never gotten a call from any lab concerning results of a urine test.
When I submitted my initial sample (pre-employment), I received a call from my employer stating it was dilute, not the lab.

For what it's worth I got the call the day after I submitted the sample.

Just curious.

 

Sec

24 hour turnaround time on negatives is quite common. Apparently the employer is on the ball and doesn't waste time.
If your specimen was determined to be "negative dilute", it is treated as a negative. The employer has the option to re-collect or to accept the findings as negative. In that case, since the specimen is found to be negative, there would be no call from a MRO.

IF your specimen is determined to be "positive dilute", then you have options. Did you save your copy of the Custody and Control form? If you did, check who the MRO named on the form is. That guy should have called you. Apparently the employer is not following SAMSHA guidelines. They are bypassing the MRO and makeing a determination based on laboratory findings alone. I suppose you could call the MRO listed on the form and ask why he/she never contacted you but instead gave the employer the results. This probably won't get you very far, but it would alert the MRO that the employer is not playing by the rules. If the employer is using a C-TPA (Consortium - Third Party Administrator), it could also be that the C-TPA is not following the instructions set up by the employer.

It could be that your specimen was so diluted that it was determined to be not human. In that case, it should have been labeled "substituted", not "diluted".

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OntheWagon

It was no biggie. My employer gave me as much time as I needed to re-test, so I jst stayed clean and retested later. I got the job late October. I posted all my stuff on here at the time. I can't for the life of me remember exactly when it was, or the numbers of my posts. I just know it was sometime in October of last year.

Meanwhile... I fell victim to the random drug test about 5 weeks ago. I told my employer straight up that I was about to piss hot. I signed a "Last chance agreement" two days later stating that I would not partake ever, and that if I did I would lose my job. They hadn't even gotten results back yet. I was informed at that time that I would be tested "... soon and often!".

My job has me on the road for weeks at a time, and I was not tested at any time during the following week before I left for my last road trip. I returned 3 days ago. I was a regular, daily smoker (and have been for the last 20 years), and usually (unless I was broke)smoke 1/8 oz. of really good PNW pot per week, but needless to say, I chose to abstain for the following week while I was in town. I had a feeling they wouldn't test me just yet because they knew I'd still test positive, and also because I alrady had my name on plane tickets for the next 3 weeks. Being they value me, they're busy, and nobody else could take my place, I was correct. I didn't get tested.

The first of that three weeks of travel was vacation for me as I was to be working near my home town and smoked every day. I abstained for the last 2 weeks while working, and today is 15 days smoke free. I smoked my usual 2-3 grams a day for that one week after only a week of not smoking. I've home tested several times over the last week and as of 2 days ago was still testing positive... no surprise there!

Beginning Friday night, I consumed quite a bit of red meat all weekend... virtually every meal. Yesterday I purchased a creatine supplement, a gallon of gatorade, and dug up the B-complex, tums, and aspirin.

My plan has been to simply spend this week diluting every day incase they decide to begin testing me as they said they would. I should mention that these tests are observed so subbing has never been an option. I am confident that after this week passes, I'll most likely be clean and will test negative; that's one of the things I learned about myself from preparing for my pre-employment test: how long it takes ME to get clean.

I decided to not go into work today (always an option after a long road trip) and perforn a dry run on myself. My buddy back East is a P.O. and gave me a half-dozen test strips. That's how I was able to self-test so often.

So here's what I did (you guys may want to move my this to another thread).

6:15AM: began drinking the gatorade. I can't really break it down more than that I pretty much kept drinking it throughout the next 2 hours.

6:45: 3 aspirin, 4 tums, more gatorade.

7:30: 8 B-Complex, 3 more aspirin, more gatorade.

8:00: finished a half-gallon of gatorade, and finally starting voiding.

8:30: finally had to really pee, starting replacing with water.

9:00: Voided for the 4th time, 4 more tums, 3 more aspirin, a little more water.

9:15: tested myself. NEGATIVE!

9:18: Said to myself, "Holy crap! This actually works!!

Unless I just happened to have gotten clean in the last 2 days, which I really don't think is the case, this dilution stuff actually does work.

I plan to home test again later this afternoon to see if I'm actually clean.

I also plan, if I am in fact still hot, to repeat today's ritual every day for the rest of the week, or until I start testing clean without dilution. I don't really know when they'll test me again, but I have every reason to believe that it's going to happen soon.

I'll keep ya posted.

Thanks to all who've contributed to this site. It is an invaluable resource!

OntheWagon

So I retested myself tonight, and I'm still negative.
What are the odds that the dilution I performed this morning is still in effect?

I'm thinking that It's just been enough time for me and I'm now free of THC metabolites.

Any input would be welcome. It'd be nice to know that I'm clean.

Bummer about what I did ealier today; not that it wouldn't have worked, but clean is clean.

Thanks again for all the info, I'm sure it's only a matter of time before I'll be back on here sweatin' on my keyboard!

OntheWagon

For what it's worth, I'm 37, 6'1",205, and probably around 15% body-fat. I'm not as active (aerobically) as I am in the heat of the summer climbing season.
My metabolism is moderate at best when I'm not active.

I think it's important to point out to the more confused folks out there how individually relative this whole thing is. Everyone is different. Someone who is considerably overweight and rips 10 bongs a day is going to take a LOT LONGER to get clean than someone who is naturally lean and only smokes a few grams a day. Both would qualify as daily users, but the difference is staggering! The lean and active person can clean out several weeks faster than the chubby and lazy one.

I've known fat guys who sit on their ass to take several months to get clean. I also know naturally lean and active people who smoke a lot of pot daily that only take a week to get clean; and it doesn't seem to matter how much or how often they smoke.

We all have the same question when faced with a urine test: "How long does it take?" It all depends on metabolism, body-fat content, potency of the pot one smokes, and frequency of usage.

If a person is clean, he/she could probably smoke a whole joint of decent stuff and be clean again in 3-5 days. The trouble is when the metabolites build up. One would be better off smoking the whole joint in one sitting than to smoke half of it then smoke the rest the next day.

Good luck!

Mikedoogster

Hey guys so I was just wondering if drinking too MUCH water can alter the test results. I was just thinking about chugging like a whole bunch of water a few hours before the test and just keep drinkin and drinkin, all while taking the vitamin B and creatine a few days before. Would this just come out dillute and the creatine wouldn't show on the results?? Any info would be awesome guys. Thanks