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budnik

hey all, i have read many of the posts on this forum and have found it very educational on how to pass the ridiculous "drug tests" given by companies to lower their insurance costs - god bless america and the $$$$ - ha ha. i have the usual "did i pass question" and welcome your respected opininons - especially n2 and mel. so i'm male, 35, 5'-8", 175 lbs, about 14% bodyfat now and work out regularly with weights 3-4 times per week and have for many years (about 15?- damn i'm old). i smoked killa hydro for about eight years and quit the daily habit in november of last year (2003). kinda rough at first, but as with all else you get used to it. i smoked a few times - light hits from the ol' retired bong around christmas/new years and i smoked a big bowl right before easter and a two light hits the next weekend which was the last time i have smoked 55 days ago from today. i had to take a pre-employ for a new job today - the form states "Drug Screen (10 Drug / 50 NG THC) so i know its the 50ng/ml cut off test (whew!). i took a drugstore take home about 2 weeks ago and passed easy. for the takehome test i didn't dilute and took it first thing in the morning. for the test today i diluted a little, just a few bottles of water and voided about 4-5 times before the void for the test. the urine was light yellow but not clear by any means. of course now that i have taken it i'm a little concerned that i should have done the powerade/aspirin/salt routine. what do you think - should i be freakin' out all weekend worried? also - info for all - i was worried about being watched but i can tell you the substitution method would have worked easy.....i was too chicken not knowing what to expect though.

 

melanotaenia

budnik you have an excellent post here, and may I say that I would have recommended the same course of action if I were trying to detox. I would say with confidence there is a 99% chance that you passed. If you voided that frequently prior you have voided a lot of the concentration of THC metabolites in your urine. In this case, the diluted urine will have even less then your normal urine; which I bet would pass a home test if you tested yourself after say, one urination in the day. I would relax and as MamBudz says....have a cookie.

P.S. I would not have bothered with the powerade/salt since that is more geared for someone who heavily dilutes, and as N2 has pointed out, the aspirin is not a required part of diluton.

Oh and hey N2!

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Yep, I completly agree with Mel, you've passed. N2

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budnik

thanx n2 and mel, i'm pretty sure i'm cool, but one never knows. i worry about this crap and it really sucks. i'm gonna lay low for a while - especially in case i come up diluted - i don't think the new job randoms, they gave me all the employment sign up forms and policies but no drug policy paperwork was included and i didn't have to sign any kind of forms stating they had a random policy and i would comply with it (as did my old employer), although the "Authorization For Treatment" form that i had to take to the pre-employ test has a check by the Yes box in the "Policy Acknowledgement On File" section and the HR dude told me they had a drug policy (the reason i had to take the pre-employ test today). anyone have any opinions on this - will they or can they random? - i'm very curious. if all goes well, hopefully i can fire up a fat binger in a few weeks! i'll post my results, i assume if i don't get a call from the MRO that i'm good.

melanotaenia

I would say that you don't have to worry about randoms. Most likely the first day when you fill out all your government tax forms and stuff they will give you some notice that the president of the company wrote up stating something to the effect that "our company strives towards a drug free workplace, and for that reason we do not tolerate the use of illegal substances and also that if you are convicted of a crime related to a controlled substance it could lead to termination blah blah blah" In reality, the company is just trying to protect itself, which you can't blame them for, but usually unless they see you stoned at work or overhear you talking about drugs at the workplace, you will not have to deal with having to take randoms. For the most part the only time I have run into people who have to take randoms are those lifting heavy equipment all day (warehouse operators) or someone who drives a bus or a delivery truck, DOT drivers, fork lift operators etc. Anything that would put other people in jeopardy would be considered along those lines. Other than that, the companies that do test are the ones that have been duped by the companies that have told them that they should test their employees for insurance purposes or lawsuit purposes etc. When you pass that initial screen, it is an indication that you, the employee, are not a drug user.

Hope that helps

 

cherishtoday

budnik;
the only thing that I would add having been an HR Manager for many years for an off shore company, is that IF you get hurt on the job, they can and often times DO require you to take a drug test. It has also been in my past experience, that 1. You must sign a consent form to be subjected to random testing. 2. If no policy is in effect and you have not been hurt on the job/or caused someone else to get hurt in some cases, they can not test you, for you have not signed the waiver. ALSO, when companies decide to encorporate such policies they have to inform the employee 30 days in advance,..might be shorter for some union type employees. On the subject of UNION employees.....you may not have signed a waiver with your Brotherhood/International/Union, but remember you fall under certain laws and when you are contracted out to jobs and that particular employeer may require a drug test. (Ex. AMO/American Maritime Officers, may not have a drug test policy in their union, but you can bet that many of their Employers do)
Hope that helps, and did not confuse the hell out of ya!
cherishtoday

budnik

hey cherishtoday, thanks for the input. i guess my new company is not very strict about the pre-employ testing because on friday i told my boss that i was going to take the test and he said oh yeah, i haven't taken a test yet, i've got to do that one of these days - he's been there a couple of months. like i said, in the sign-up paperwork the HR guy gave me there was NO company drug testing policy or consent form for pre-employ or random testing for me to sign, unless he forgot to give it to me or something, but again i am curious because the "authorization for treatment" form i took to the pre-employ test has the check mark in the "policy acknowlegement on file" box on the form - ??? i have another question as well, i realize if you are farmed out to another company to work - which could happen in my case - that company could request you to be tested (the "client request" reason for testing). if that happens, where would i have to take the test at? i.e. would my company pay for the test so i know i would take it at the same location i took the pre-employ (now i know i could substitute easy) or would i have to take it at the clients testing facility (unknown testing conditions)?

cherishtoday

hey there budnik;

sounds like your company is not up to the "proper" standards of new hires, which in your case is a good thing perhaps!!..
As for your other questions, and again, I am just going off of what I know and by no means am telling you your legal rights or theirs.

If you are contracted out, like you say you are, lets say to do work for Mobile, you at that point fall under their rules and regulations. This of course means that you will go where they say you go, to the lab that they use. This may or may not be the same one that you went too.

Some companies just do a screen (at the doctors office or onsite) and that is it, and if that comes back other than negative it gets sent off to a lab, like Quest. That way Quest for example, can break it totally down to see what is what. I know when I used to administer drug test, *how ironic I know* we did a screen and from there it went to Quest. They in turn would contact the mediator who would call me and tell me specifically what was in someone's urine, THC, Coke, etc..(These were DOT test)

You also mentioned the check off box. The forms that we used, and from what I remember were long and lengthy, with writing on the back of your copy as well. More than likely though, there was something on the application itself, in small print that states something along the lines of your new hire status is contingent upon the passing of a urine test for drugs and or a physical. Even by them posting in their HR office that they are in fact a drug free work environment can subject you to drug testing. Basically, they are telling you "we test for drugs so ....now you know ...so don't act like you don't ...cuz this is why we post these stupid signs!" Hence, that could be your policy acknowledgement, or the simple fact that they told you "you gotta take a drug test" is also acknowledgement.

Also, having not knowing too much about the form you had, we too had to give a form to our employees if we needed to send them off site. For example a new hire was sent to the doctors office with an "Authorization for Treatment" form, to give to the doctors office so they knew that they could bill our company and so that they had my signature saying they could test the individual, and contact our mediator to give results.


I tend to ramble...
so I hope this all helps ya out!!!

cherishtoday

budnik

hey all, i passed! no news is good news and its been 10 days, plus the HR guy came by and asked for my employment paperwork last wed. (he freaked me out of course, coming to my office 4 days after my test with a serious look on his face). thanks for all the input, very much appreciated.