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I have been doing some research on this site and other general medical sites into the Dilution Method and from what I can understand there are three counter measures to see if you have diluted your urine:

1) Color – this can be countered by taking vitamin B on the day of the test. I probably need to try this a few times with “dry” runs over the next week or so by water loading and then taking differing amounts of vitamin B to get a decent color and not some florescent yellow that looks like it came from alien. Anyone got a good idea of what amount of vitamin B works well? (how many tablets at what dosage and at what stage prior to the test?) Most healthy people drinking good quantities of water will have clear urine anyway, but I figure if it’s yellow, then they may not bother to do a creatanine test or a specific gravity test on the basis that someone “can’t” have heavily diluted urine if it is yellow in color?

2) Creatanine – this can be countered by taking loading type quantities of creatine in the 72 to24 hours prior to the test right? I spoke to a gym freak at work and he mentioned that he takes 5mg of creatine 3 times a day for a total of 15mg/day during his loading phase – does this sound about the right quantity to increase creatanine levels in your diluted urine or would you take more than this to counter the dilution factor? Has anyone done any tests of their own creatanine levels before and after water loading with and without supplements? There seems to be some test strips out on the market that will allow you to test your own creatanine and specific gravity levels at home (http://www.testsymptomsathome.com/tec09.asp ) - has anyone tried experimenting with these types of tests?

3) Specific Gravity test (aka Urine Concentration test) OK, this one to me is the most vague of the 3 counter measures. Specific gravity “measures the concentration of particles in the urine”. So the big question is, how can you increase your levels of SG? Some people on this site are adding salt to their Powerade on the day of the test combined with rollaids/tums – has anyone done any tests of their own SG using this method?

I have read that, “Increased amounts of abnormal substances such as protein, glucose or radiographic contrast medium in urine may give high specific gravity results”. and “Drugs that can increase specific gravity measurements include dextran and sucrose” (sugar based drugs from what I can gather) and also that “Specific gravity also requires correction for the presence of glucose or protein”.

So given that I am not going to have radiographic contrast medium (such the cocktail that you swallow before gastro radiography exam or possibly the injected dye they give you before a CT scan), it looks like I will actually need to increase the protein and sugar levels in my urine on the day of the test? So would it work if I loaded up with protein supplements in the 24 hours right up to last hour before the test, as well as consuming high levels of sugar (maybe glucose supplements that diabetics use such as Insta-Glocose gel tubes which have 24g/tube of almost instant-dissolving sugar) in the last hour or so before the test? I also have some electrolyte sachets from the pharmacy which I keep on me when traveling in case I ever get dehydrated from vomiting or diarrheoa.. These contain the following additives Glucose (90mmol/L), Sodium (60), Potassium (20), Chloride(60) and Citrate (10). These sachets sound like a better alternative to rollaids/tumms combined with salt, but this is all new to me? But I would think that these sachets combined with protein and sugar loading would be the right mix to increase SG?

After thought: Aspirin – it also sounds like I should be taking this as an extra added bonus to potentially throw off the test in case any of these measures fail?

Sorry for the long and rambling post, but I wanted to try and start in in-depth discussion of the Dilution Method counter measures. What do you think?

 

melanotaenia

Specific gravity is simple: when salts are present in the urine, the specific gravity is going to measure higher. This is why it is recommended that you drink powerade with salt if you plan on heavy dilution but..............given that normal concentration urine is about 1.020 or so, and diluted urine has to be below 1.003, you need to dilute pretty heavily to drop that low. For creatine, simply take a supplement of creatine starting 72 hours before the test and drink plenty of water. As far as color goes, again, the powerade usually will keep your urine colored since it contains b vitamins but under heavy dilution you can always take a b complex vitamin; there is nothing wrong wtih downing a vitamin every day for normal health Asprin can aid in fooling the EMIT test only; if it goes to the GC you will still fail even with aspirin. Dilution is a general term, as some may consider a couple of glasses of water diluting, while others will drinks gallons a couple days before and up to the test pissing every fifteen minutes.

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