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canhunt

i was wodering if anybody had tried any fast detox products
if i took some would it make any symptoms go away faster?

 

Buzzby

There is nothing, I repeat, nothing that removes THC metabolites from your system, other than time and exercise. You can spend $50 - $100 on "magic drinks" and not do any better than you could with vitamins, aspirin, and Gatorade. Many people do worse because of the false claims of the manufacturers. The money-back guarantees are not any kind of insurance that the goop works. People who have applied for their money back are usually told that they must have done something wrong for the stuff to fail.

There is no such thing as a "fast detox" for THC metabolites.

All of these products work by dilution. They do not convert THC metabolites into something that can't be detected, as they'd like you to believe. You can duplicate the actions of these products for a fraction of the price by following the guidelines in these links:

Dilution and aspirin-- the technique

DILUTION: tips, tricks and guidelines from N2

Because they work by dilution, detox drinks can fail if the concentration of THC metabolites is too high. Drinking a lot of fluids makes you pee a lot, reducing the concentration of THC metabolites in your blood. They'll be restored from that stored in fatty tissue but eventually they'll all leach out if you don't smoke. Drinking a reasonable amount of fluids shortly before your test will dilute your urine, lowering the concentration of THC metabolites. If you dilute too much it will spoil the test and you'll be retested or failed. The aspects of dilution techniques other than drinking fluids are to make dilute urine appear to be less dilute. At high concentrations of THC metabolites it is not possible to dilute enough without diluting too much.

The aspirin in the dilution + aspirin technique will mask THC metabolites on an EMIT test if the concentration is not too high.

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joel223

Why would you want the 'symptoms' to go away faster? I like the symptoms of marijuana. They are fun.

As far as getting clean, detox drinks are full of crock, listen to Buzzby; he knows whats up. I failed with detox drinks.
The only thing to get you clean is time and distance from herb. Dillution helps too, have passed a few using that. But I still need a few weeks away from pot for dillution to work for me.

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Exodus 3:2
(2)There the angel of the Lord appeared to him within a burning bush...


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popsolx

One product out there that I've found is actually effective at increasing the rate of excretion of THC. THC is persistent and slowly eliminated because it is lipophilic and a major portion reabsorbs into your system as your body is attempting to eliminate it. Olestra is a fat alternative used in many "fat free" snack foods. It is an undigestable fat that is able to absorb the THC that your body is trying to eliminate so that it cannot be reabsorbed. Mind you this is not a quick fix, but has been shown to increase the rate of excretion of a number of other lipophilic toxins by up to a 10 fold increase. In addition to aiding in efficient excretion, the undigested fat and additional bound THC is excreted in your stool instead of your urine. Time, water, sweating, and exercise are still the best methods to decrease the THC concentrations, but buying products that contain undigestable fat alternatives will also help reduce the levels. Note: Olestra has been shown to cause anal leakage and soft stool.

Who would have though potato chips could help with cleaning pot out of your system?

Buzzby

Ewwwww!


How is that supposed to work? THC metabolites are stored in your body fat. Olestra passes through the intestinal tract without being absorbed. How can Olestra affect what's stored in your body fat, since it never enters your bloodstream?


That's a neat trick, if it works, since the THC metabolites never get near the intestines.

Is there any solid data to back up this idea or is it just another stoner myth?

 

popsolx

THC is excreted in both your urine and feces. As it moves through your intestines alot of it is reabsorbed... (this is one reason it is so persistent). This will NOT clean your system, but it will prevent it from being reabsorbed as your liver processes it, and it will increase the concentration of metabolites in your feces not your urine. This speeds up the process by allowing your body to flush it out the first time it is processed instead of setting up a circular re-absorption, processing, re-absorption, processing.. (you get the idea). There are other valid techniques that would have the same effect on lipophilic toxins, but they can be dangerous if overused (in the situation of a paniced drug test subject) as they would disrupt the natural flora of the intestines and could lead to anal yeast infections (treatable through medications and probiotic foods) or massive loss of fat soluble vitamins (mind you olestra is fortified with these vitamins to counteract this loss.

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00000138.htm
from the CDC:
"The urine test is based on detection of 11-nor-delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol-9-carboxylic acid (9-carboxy-THC), a metabolite of delta-9-THC, which is the primary pharmacologically active component of marijuana. Studies involving humans indicate that 80%-90% of the total dose of delta-9-THC is excreted within 5 days--approximately 20% in urine and 65% in feces (1). Plasma concentrations of delta-9-THC peak by the time a smoked dose is completed and usually fall to approximately 2 ng/ml within 4-6 hours. 9-carboxy-THC is detectable in plasma within minutes after a dose is smoked and remains in plasma considerably longer than THC itself. Urine from marijuana users contains quantities of 9-carboxy-THC in both free and conjugated form, as well as other cannabinoids (THC and its metabolites) detectable by the test."

Olestra will only lock the metabolites in your bowels so they can't be reabsorbed (because it is absorbed by the olestra which passes through in possibly uncomfortably soft and fatty stool). Your excretory system naturally contains a counter current exchange system (both through bowel and bladder) to allow for reabsorption of necessary nutrients and compounds that would be excreted. Unfortunately, fat soluble toxins (dioxin, lindane, other pesticides and metals) are also reabsorbed through this route. People have actually been given olestra in response to dioxin levels as a medical treatment.

If you're in doubt search for words like "olestra and lipophilic", or "kidney counter current exchange" or "olestra and dioxin". But remember this will only speed up the natural process it will not actually clean you out, and ... you might crap your pants if you over use it.

popsolx

Perhaps I should be more specific in regards to the metabolism. Ultimately the metabolism of lipophilic toxins converts them to water (polar) soluble forms that are more readily excreted. Conjugates of these metabolites are formed that are not readily absorbed. These conjugates (along with some unprocessed fat soluble components) are excreted with the bile into the intestines. Unfortunately, many of these undergo an ezymatic breakdown and are then reabsorbed in the intestine and must be reprocessed by the liver, kidneys etc. If these metabolites are lipophilic, however, they will bond to any fats present in the intestines. Much like the Olestra prevents the absorption of fat soluble vitamins (A, E, K etc), it will prevent the reabsorption of fat soluble metabolites. This would allow the body to flush out metabolites that have not been fully processed.

Look at the pharmacology chart and mind the quote:
"Anions, cations, and non-ionized molecules containing both polar and lipophilic groups are excreted into the bile"
http://www.boomer.org/c/p4/c16/c1604.html
This could break (or reduce) the loop from "conjugate in intestine" to "drug in intestine" or... rather convert the "absorption" link from "drug in intestine" to "excretion in feces"

This is just an untested hypothesis, although, there is a great deal of supporting evidence.

arsen_36

yo can anyone put this in terms i can understand? for example using the words piss and sh*t. not to be an asswhole or nothin but i just got on probation and they told me about being randomly drug tested so im pretty spooked cuz i have been stoned since 99 and never been locked up so coming out posotive is one of the last things i want on my record. so if you guys could refraze those posts it would be great! sorry if i sounded rude or whatever

popsolx

Simple terms:

If you need to clean up quicker (how much quicker this will work I can't say for sure... too many variables) eat this stuff.

http://www.olean.com/default.asp?p=products

It will NOT clean you out (nothing will - if you figure out how to do that you'd win the nobel prize and make billions on the patent - medical science will bow before you cuz it would work on life threatening poisons too), but it will help your body clean it out more efficiently, and it will put the extra in your poop not pee (some will still be in pee until you are clean).

For best results combine these with aerobic exercise (not weightlifting), water, and some extra fiber (buy this at local pharmacy they sell it in powders, cookies, etc.).

Stop exercise a couple days before test. You can keep up the rest up to the day of the test.

This isn't a miracle it isn't magic it will still take time... just a little less time.

popsolx

Read this:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...1219134759.htm