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nerphroll · 01-20-2006, 03:56 PM

Don't worry, I wasn't planning on doing this, but I was wondering if anyone has any experience with using pet urine for substitution, I guess a dog would be easiest. A bit hard to collect but not impossible. This would be for somone who either has no friends or wants to keep their habits a secret. I doubt the animal/human divide would matter much as far as the test goes. Has anyone ever gone to such lengths???

lew scannon · 01-21-2006, 11:52 AM

Animal urine may have worked a decade or two ago when specimen integrity checks werent in place, but its a whole different ball game now. Canines have a normal creatinine level of 1.5 - 2.0 ng. That would not fly with the integrity checks. Any creatnine level under 2 ng is considered "not consistent with human urine" (aka substituted specimen).

nerphroll · 01-21-2006, 02:07 PM

Well there you have it. thank you.

01-20-2006, 03:56 PM	#1
nerphroll Sr. Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 1,395 Grams: 3,002.83 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts Thanks: 20 Thanked 31 Times in 18 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	Man's Best Friend?? Don't worry, I wasn't planning on doing this, but I was wondering if anyone has any experience with using pet urine for substitution, I guess a dog would be easiest. A bit hard to collect but not impossible. This would be for somone who either has no friends or wants to keep their habits a secret. I doubt the animal/human divide would matter much as far as the test goes. Has anyone ever gone to such lengths???

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01-21-2006, 11:52 AM	#2
lew scannon Sr. Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 684 Grams: 5,759.94 Groans: 20 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts Thanks: 31 Thanked 113 Times in 72 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	Animal urine may have worked a decade or two ago when specimen integrity checks werent in place, but its a whole different ball game now. Canines have a normal creatinine level of 1.5 - 2.0 ng. That would not fly with the integrity checks. Any creatnine level under 2 ng is considered "not consistent with human urine" (aka substituted specimen).

01-21-2006, 02:07 PM	#3
nerphroll Sr. Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 1,395 Grams: 3,002.83 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts Thanks: 20 Thanked 31 Times in 18 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	Well there you have it. thank you.

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