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kingsblend420

Hey all, I am back after many months of successful employment. I was a very frequent visitor/poster about 6 months ago when I received a lucrative job offer only come to find out that I would be getting a Psychmedics hair test and, well, lets just say the Macuju method didnt pan out. After that fateful incident I have been totally clean without any relapses and I have been real proud. I have passed a urine test no sweat for a job since then. I just got another great new job and took the pre-employment urine test this morning..not worried about passing I know its all good. But here is my question:

This is a construction company and they are SUPER strict on testing. They sent me a 20 page manual about their drug policies and saying how I can expect to be tested twice every two years at random + any other random tests they want to do + for any on the job accidents. Thank god they do not do hair tests and it is only urine, blood, and saliva. In one of the pages they had a list of drugs and thresholds. For MJ the threshold for a positive result was 25ng/ml. Now I am trying to figure out what that equates to in smoking. I.e. can i smoke every weekend. only once a month, or what kind of frequency and level of smoking can i get away with without crossing the threshold. I know this is quite unknown territory but maybe if someone has any thoughts or any info would be awesome.
Thanks!

 

nerphroll

There is no way to know. If you smoke just once, and you're tested the next day, you're screwed. Unless you have a sub with you all the time and can keep it warm AND execute a substitution maneuver perfectly, which is unlikely on a construction job, you are screwed. You must abstain, unless you go away on vacation, but even then you must be careful not to overdo it so you have a few days of the vacation to get clean. Smoking for you would be a gamble indeed. I suppose you could wait for the first random test, then smoke a bit figuring they won't retest you for a good while, but should an accident occur and they test again, you are screwed.
Good luck.

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djhep1318

In my case with a 15ng/ml threshold I've been able to pass using dilution. But for that to work you need AT LEAST (imo) 72 hrs clean time before testing. As nerph said smoking would be a gamble for you theres no way around that.

But I don't see why you could not sub. Keep a bottle of synthetic with you at ALL times. Unless I'm mistaking they are not going to test on the actual job site. You'll be sent to a lab to submit a sample. On the drive from the site to the lab you can warm up the synthetic with the heater in your car. Also, I've been able to "crotch" a 2 ounce bottle of synthetic and get it to 96 degrees in about 40 minutes. Smoking when you know you may be tested is always a gamble but if you are prepared EVERYDAY I think you'll be okay. Unless of course your screen is monitored.

Good Luck and Be Careful

Hawg

I used to work in construction as a heavy industrial electrician, and when they had a on site test you could see the piss wagon when you pulled in or word got out a few days before the test, so you had time to prepare. Also they always had a bathroom to use at the shop for privacy. Some do send you off site for the test so you have time there also.

The 25 ng cutoff must be for the GC/MS as all of the instant tests are a 50 ng cutoff so actually the cutoff rate is not that bad. My cousin set his cutoff rate to 100ng for testing for his construction CO.

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Sec

When I go to a job site to test, I drive a car, not a My car is very non-noticable. It is not new, it is not old, it doesn't have a logo on the side of it. The employee is called to the office where I am waiting. I introduce myself and can tell by the look on the donor's face at that moment whether he/she is contemplating whether he/she will pass or not. They get this "oh f#%k, I'm screwed" look on their face (sort of like a deer caught in the headlights of a semi).

After the intro's are done, the donor and I go into a private office to begin the paperwork. That is when I will ask if there is a problem. Usually, the donor will begin by telling me that "they were at a party last weekend, but they didn't smoke". "Will that mess me up"? When I tell them that that won't matter, they cannot test positive from passive smoke, then, they get a little more detailed about their ACTUAL use.

If they tell me when they last smoked and their smoking habits and they are being honest with me, I will be honest with them and let them know if they have a snowball's chance in hell of passing or if they need to start looking in the classifieds. Usually, if they are close, I will allow them to drink extra water. By that time, though, water usually doesn't help much.

The people who know they will test positive usually will go ahead with the test. They can get at least 2 more days of employment before the employer is notified of any positive result.

More info than needed, but I was on a roll and couldn't stop.

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Hawg

They have this company around here that pulls thier own trailer around with them to do the testing in thus the "piss wagon" nickname

Sec

Around here we have a company that rents & cleans out porta-potty's (the kind used at constructions sites). The tank has professionally painted "Turd Mobile" on the side.

If the collection company pulls up at your place of employment with their piss wagon, it sort of eliminates the element of surprise doesn't it? That in itself gives you notice as you said.

Hawg

I think that is the whole point of using it around here. At least they give you a fighting chance

kingsblend420

Too funny with the piss wagon!! First I just want to say thank you to everyone who responded.
The manual says that they will send me to a lab to do it and I will have three hours to get down there to take the test. They will test me once every two years so that is not so bad. I should have mentioned that I will be working in the office and not nessecarily on the site so the potential for accidents should be relatively small in my case.
It definitely is a gamble and that is no joke. I have taken urine tests for employment and I think being able to sub would be relatively easy. I have seen synthetic packages that have heat pads that can get you up to temp in 90 minutes which is fine with the time frame that i will have.
I think all in all it is a definet gamble but I have to seriously consider that smoking is going to be out of my life.

FXjohn

If you have three hours to prepare your sub, you should have NO problem at all. If you have a sub and a heating pad, it's not much of a gamble.