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remlap · 04-20-2006, 06:32 PM

Can someone help me on how to use doggie urine got my sample just want it to pass... I understand Dr. Grow and Greenbud have posts on this topic but have not been able to locate either. Eureka!!!! Did advanced search....
Substitution / Greenbud ... Found DaDornta has his ua today

nerphroll · 04-20-2006, 07:08 PM

This has been covered before if I remember correctly. I don't think you can use the doggie urine to sub.

remlap · 04-20-2006, 10:34 PM

i have been told I posted twice sorry to all

lew scannon · 04-21-2006, 12:29 AM

Using animal urine to pass the UA is old tech and no longer gets the job done. Specimen integrity checks are now performed on most samples, with one of those checks involving creatinine levels. Canines have a normal creatinine count of 1.0 to 2.0 ng. This will not cut the mustard with the integ checks. Creatinine levels over 20 ng are acceptable. Creatinine levels between 2 - 20 ng is considered "sample too dilute", while a sample with a creatinine level between 0-2 ng is ruled "sample not consistent with human urine" (aka 'substituted specimen').

Hawg · 04-21-2006, 12:57 AM

You are right Lew there is no way that animal urine will pass for human urine. Maybe years ago when they started the terroistict [made that up, sounds like something Bush would say dont it] drug testing you could do about anything to pass a test. But like anything else due to the advance in technologies across the board we will have to learn and practice new techniuqes also to pass the tests

remlap · 04-21-2006, 04:03 AM

As you can tell its been a while since I had to give a test any thought...I tried N2s method but failed with the home test. i have been using daily for 30 yrs, and abstained for only 72 hrs. so I am not a very good sample case but then again maybe I am... Synthetic is on its way thnx to all for your help and apparently wise advice.

04-20-2006, 06:32 PM	#1
remlap New Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 3 Grams: 796.65 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	doggie urine Can someone help me on how to use doggie urine got my sample just want it to pass... I understand Dr. Grow and Greenbud have posts on this topic but have not been able to locate either. Eureka!!!! Did advanced search.... Substitution / Greenbud ... Found DaDornta has his ua today

04-20-2006, 07:08 PM	#2
nerphroll Sr. Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 1,395 Grams: 3,100.18 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts Thanks: 20 Thanked 31 Times in 18 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	This has been covered before if I remember correctly. I don't think you can use the doggie urine to sub. __________________ HELP ME IVE BEEN DOING THIS FOR OVER 13 YEARS!!!!!!!!!! PURIFY ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

04-21-2006, 12:29 AM	#4
lew scannon Sr. Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 689 Grams: 5,898.54 Groans: 20 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts Thanks: 31 Thanked 113 Times in 72 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	Teach Rover to fetch instead.. Using animal urine to pass the UA is old tech and no longer gets the job done. Specimen integrity checks are now performed on most samples, with one of those checks involving creatinine levels. Canines have a normal creatinine count of 1.0 to 2.0 ng. This will not cut the mustard with the integ checks. Creatinine levels over 20 ng are acceptable. Creatinine levels between 2 - 20 ng is considered "sample too dilute", while a sample with a creatinine level between 0-2 ng is ruled "sample not consistent with human urine" (aka 'substituted specimen').

04-21-2006, 12:57 AM	#5
Hawg Sr. Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,594 Grams: 3,069.30 Groans: 1 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts Thanks: 5 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	You are right Lew there is no way that animal urine will pass for human urine. Maybe years ago when they started the terroistict [made that up, sounds like something Bush would say dont it] drug testing you could do about anything to pass a test. But like anything else due to the advance in technologies across the board we will have to learn and practice new techniuqes also to pass the tests __________________ Here is a good place to see who test's and how. http://www.testclear.com/dtcompanies/searchcompany2.cfm Figures don't lie but liars can figure

04-21-2006, 04:03 AM	#6
remlap New Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 3 Grams: 796.65 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	Its been a long time As you can tell its been a while since I had to give a test any thought...I tried N2s method but failed with the home test. i have been using daily for 30 yrs, and abstained for only 72 hrs. so I am not a very good sample case but then again maybe I am... Synthetic is on its way thnx to all for your help and apparently wise advice.

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04-20-2006, 10:34 PM	#3
remlap New Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 3 Grams: 796.65 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	i have been told I posted twice sorry to all

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