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Old 11-04-2006, 12:04 AM   #31
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Well, she blew smoke up your ass. There is no "legal cutoff". The employer can set the cut off at whatever number she wants, and unless she is testing at the Lowest Detectable Level, which is very rare, there would be no way to know you are a 6. Most employers use 15 as the cutoff of the GC/MS (the confirmatory process for drug testing).

The difference between having 6 ng/mL in your urine and having 4 ng/mL of THC in your urine is drinking roughly 4 ounces of water before you peed.
It is virtually nothing. If you were a six 4 days ago, you could just drink 3 glasses (24 ounces) of gatorade starting 2 hours before test time, and finishing the last of it just prior to taking the test, Peeing at least once during that time and you should be able to pass no problem. You should be able to pass without any aid now.

You do have a right to request a copy of your test results if you don't already have them. Any employee is entitled to a copy of their personnel files upon request. The employer can make you put your request in writing, but they must produce a copy of the file. If I were you, I would ask for a copy of your past test results.

Are you testing yourself or are you getting these numbers from what the employer is telling you?

Just something for you to think about.
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Old 11-04-2006, 12:36 AM   #32
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Default ive done my reading on dilution-help!

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I know you want to pass on "your own", but seriously, consider dilution. I have no idea where or why you are being tested at such low levels, but apparently your prospective employer is anal about drugs (or drug free employees).

Read up on the dilution. If you are only one point away, and that can vary from minute to minute, you could drink one glass of water and be under the cutoff (theoretically).
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they say drinking everyday doesnt do anything-only the day of the test-is that true? some say gatorade, some say powerade. Does it matter? Since im only a 6, you do recommend 4 aspirin every 4hrs? i have some b vitamins, how many would you suggest I take? Im going to look for a job on monday. F**k it. im tired of sitting at home. pls respond!
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Old 11-04-2006, 01:07 AM   #33
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Well, she blew smoke up your ass. There is no "legal cutoff". The employer can set the cut off at whatever number she wants, and unless she is testing at the Lowest Detectable Level, which is very rare, there would be no way to know you are a 6. Most employers use 15 as the cutoff of the GC/MS (the confirmatory process for drug testing).

The difference between having 6 ng/mL in your urine and having 4 ng/mL of THC in your urine is drinking roughly 4 ounces of water before you peed.
It is virtually nothing. If you were a six 4 days ago, you could just drink 3 glasses (24 ounces) of gatorade starting 2 hours before test time, and finishing the last of it just prior to taking the test, Peeing at least once during that time and you should be able to pass no problem. You should be able to pass without any aid now.

You do have a right to request a copy of your test results if you don't already have them. Any employee is entitled to a copy of their personnel files upon request. The employer can make you put your request in writing, but they must produce a copy of the file. If I were you, I would ask for a copy of your past test results.

Are you testing yourself or are you getting these numbers from what the employer is telling you?

Just something for you to think about.
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I promise, this is what she told me. i know her really well and i saw my first results-20. although i was terminated, she told me i could come back in and do another test and she would send it off to the lab again to check my levels once more--that is when she called and told me my level was 6. When I went into her office on monday, my line was faint at 6. so you say it is safe to go ahead and find a job?
Im also being tested by my drug counselor and my last test (yesteday) was faint. Im trippin out.
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I have no idea what you are talking about when you say "your line was faint at 6". the numbers I was talking about were your actual THC levels found by Gas Chromatography / Mass Spectrometry method used for determining a quantitative level in your urine. You are talking about some silly interpretation on an instant test. If you were terminated due to the instant "screen" and the employer did not send the test in for confirmation testing by a laboratory, you possible have a suit against the employer. I have seen levels higher than 300 before on a lab test. The lowest I have ever seen on a lab test is 35 ng/mL. I am not even sure how that one made it past the immunoassay test to the GC/MS, but it did. There are no "lines" on a lab test. You get quantitative values, not indicative interpretation on a color chart or visible lines.

Even in the instructions (the package insert) that comes with the instant tests, it clearly states that any line, not matter how faint or pronounced, should be interpreted as a negative.

Is your #6 on a scale of 10 or what? If I were you, I would demand a lab test because I am certain if you have not smoked or used marijuana in as long as you say, you would pass with absolutely no problems what-so-ever.

Do yourelf a favor and get a laboratory test done on yourself. You will see that you are negative.

BTW, why are you seeing a drug counselor? Is it due to the failed 'screen" at the employer's?
Like I said, you might have cause for action there. There is a reason that instant type of testing are officially called "screening" and the laboratory tests are called "tests". Also, the instant tests, when they aren't definetly negative, cannot be called "positive", instead they are called "Non-negative" until a lab test can confirm the results.

I thinkyou are confusing a screening done with an instant device and a lab test done at a DHHS certified laboratory with MRO review.
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I have no idea what you are talking about when you say "your line was faint at 6". the numbers I was talking about were your actual THC levels found by Gas Chromatography / Mass Spectrometry method used for determining a quantitative level in your urine. You are talking about some silly interpretation on an instant test. If you were terminated due to the instant "screen" and the employer did not send the test in for confirmation testing by a laboratory, you possible have a suit against the employer. I have seen levels higher than 300 before on a lab test. The lowest I have ever seen on a lab test is 35 ng/mL. I am not even sure how that one made it past the immunoassay test to the GC/MS, but it did. There are no "lines" on a lab test. You get quantitative values, not indicative interpretation on a color chart or visible lines.

Even in the instructions (the package insert) that comes with the instant tests, it clearly states that any line, not matter how faint or pronounced, should be interpreted as a negative.

Is your #6 on a scale of 10 or what? If I were you, I would demand a lab test because I am certain if you have not smoked or used marijuana in as long as you say, you would pass with absolutely no problems what-so-ever.

Do yourelf a favor and get a laboratory test done on yourself. You will see that you are negative.

BTW, why are you seeing a drug counselor? Is it due to the failed 'screen" at the employer's?
Like I said, you might have cause for action there. There is a reason that instant type of testing are officially called "screening" and the laboratory tests are called "tests". Also, the instant tests, when they aren't definetly negative, cannot be called "positive", instead they are called "Non-negative" until a lab test can confirm the results.

I thinkyou are confusing a screening done with an instant device and a lab test done at a DHHS certified laboratory with MRO review.
What I meant to say was, the last time I peed in the cup, a faint line appeared. When the lab results came back, she said I was a 6-so sorry for the confusion. that is why i said my line was faint at 6.

When i had my first pee test in the cup, no line appeared at all (at 25 days smoke free). MY employer said she had to send my urine off to the lab and if it came back with thc in my system, then they would have to terminate me.

Well, when the results came back, it was 20 ( like i mentioned earlier, I actually saw the results from the lab company on paper). because I am a new grad, i was advised to go see a drug counselor just in case I had to go up against the state board --just to let the board know that I do care about my liscence and that I am trying to do whatever it takes to help/better myself. This was something that was completely my choice.

The second time i peed in the cup, a faint line appeared ( at 57 days smoke free-or what ever number I mentioned earlier). My employer then said she would send my urine off to the lab once again because she was curious to see what my levels were--this was something that she did out of the kindness of her heart. she stated that she couldnt tell me why my line was faint because the results that she was used to seeing was either a dark line or no line at all. when my levels came back from the lab, she stated that i was a 6.

She told me to keep drinking water and I should be ok by the middle of next week. Why then did she mention 5 was the legal cut off? I guess i didnt ask her enough questions or maybe I misunderstood her. At that place of employment, the cut off from the lab was 15 and I was off by 5.

Come monday, im gonna go job hunting. Christmas is coming up and I need some cash flowing in. Im gonna take your advice and drink some gatorade the day of the test.

THANK YOU SOOOOOOOOOO MUCH FOR THE INFO. YOU HAVE BEEN SO HELPFUL!

Pls respond back at your earliest convience.
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Default Ok, im going job hunting in the morning

Tomorrow is a big day for me. 63 days smoke free and Im finally gonna go look for a job. Something Ive been longing for for quite some time now. i have my powerade and im gonna take my 4 aspirin just in case they pop a wammy on me. I want to be extra careful, although if they do decide to send my urine off to the lab, I will be lower than a 15. Right now I am sitting at a 6(it could possibly lower than that because I was a 6 last monday) so either way I should still be in the clear. Is taking 4 325mg of aspirin to much or should I go and buy the baby aspirin(91mg)?

Im looking for a little extra advice form anyone that is very knowledgeable on this subject. Pls respond A.S.A.P.
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Take the 4 (325mg) aspirins. As long as you don't have a bleeding ulcer you should be fine.
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