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needgreen

had our d&a test done wednesday night. some people were told right at that time that their sample was no good-Probably diluted. the rest were sent to work. well it is friday night, my forman took my partner asided and told him his sample had problems and he could not work untill he redid it successfully. He had already worked 2 days. did they retest his sample to find anything wrong? it seems kind of funny he was ok to work for 2 days and then all of a sudden he cant work there anymore. when we gave our samples,they split it into 2 jars. would they give 2 different tests? does anybody have an idea on this? hopefully he can get back on so i can ask him.

 

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More than likely it was not dilution they were detecting but rather the temperature or color was not good.

The lab tested the specimen and found either an adulterant, dilution or positive for a banned substance.
No. They put it into 2 vials because it is a "split specimen". That means that one vial is tested and the other is put into storage. Teh one that is in storage can be retested if the first vial is positive or there is a problem (i.e.: leakage, spilled, damaged in transit etc.)

He either had a diluted, adulterated or positive result. If his specimen was diluted, he MIGHT be able to re-test. That is up to the employer. If his specimen was adulterated or positive, he won't be coming back.

Tell me, were you or your co-workers given notice of this test before it happened? Did any of you have a chance to prepare or were you all surprised with the drug test?

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needgreen

so are you saying they actually tested him twice then? or was a sample taken from someone and if it looked good was sent for analysis or looked bad visually was a fail? another guy on our crew peed dirty the first night but for some reason allowed to retest the next day and passed. unless we didnt get a correct story from him. everybody knew about the test as it is presite testing.

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No, they didn't test him twice. Before a specimen can be sent in to a laboratory, it must be determined to be a valid specimen. The temperature must be between 90 - 100 degrees (read within the 4 minutes of the void). If it is not at least 90 degrees or if it is over 100 degrees, it is determined to be invalid and the donor is told to give another void while somene is watching to make sure there is no substitution or adulterating of the specimen. If the donor refuses to give another specimen while under observation, that is considered to be a refusal and an instant fail.

If the specimen is blue or green in color, same as above. It is assumed that the donor used toilet water to try to dilute their specimen.

If the specimen passes the color or temperature criteria, the specimen is then packaged into a "split vial package" and sent to the laboratory for testing for banned substances or adulteration/dilution. They will conduct validity checks (specific gravity, Ph levels, Creatinine and nitrates) to determine if the urine is actually urine and not too heavily diluted with water or other liquids to get an accurate result of any banned substances. If the specimen passes all that, then it is given an EMIT screening. IF no banned substances are detected, the specimen is given a pass. IF banned substances are detected in the screening, then the specimen is put into the Gas Chromatography / Mass Spectrometer machine where it is determined just how much of that particular banned substance is present in the urine.

. Maybe he did pee dirty, but he probably didn't give enough quantity. The employer should not have allowed a donor to return the next day to give another specimen. Protocol states that the donor has 3 hours and up to 40 ounces of water spread out over that 3 hours to give a valid specimen. IF the donor cannot give a specimen within the 3 hour limit, the donor has up to 5 business days to go to a physician and find a valid medical reason for not being able to give a specimen. Perhaps they let him return the next day because he went to his doctor and found a medical reason for not being able to give the specimen the day before.

Rumors have a way of never getting to the complete truth of the matter.

1tokeovertheline

It is called favoritism. It happens all the time on construction jobs. When the same contractors work job after job together, it becomes common knowledge who smokes dope and who doesn't. The ones who don't are labeled "rednecks" and the ones who do are labeled "potheads". All contractors on Federal funded jobs are required to have a program in place for a "drug free workplace" and you sign a paper stating you understand you "may" be tested. Any jobs I have worked on, that is about as far as it goes. Contrary to popular belief a lot of "potheads" are a contractors best men, lead men and supervisors. They do a good job and take pride in doing the job right. Contractors don't like to loose these men so the "drug test" usually don't mean a thing in some cases. They would rather have a man working for them that smokes pot before they go to bed, instead of one that drinks until the bars close then spend most of the morning throwing up. I have seen more "rednecks" puking sent home than I have "potheads" .

 

needgreen

are you guys in the u.s.? im from up north of there. i can only assume the rules are the same or similar about the retest. most of the construction jobs here are pre-employment pee tests as was this one i am talking about. hardly any random testing done after that. about the only time you would have to do it again is if you had an accident. thats why we are probably safer to work with. As with 1tokes thought of favoritism...............maybe. but i do know of a company where almost half of upper management is no longer there because someone in the main office decided they should have a surprise test. i think this is just 1 big freakin game. the company i am contracted to is dutch. this is all legal there. the president probably smokes pot. im sure the government has a lot to do with this. what would happen if it is decriminalized. they cant stop you from working then can they unless you are under the influence maybe. they would have to find another way to test then cause if you hooted last night, you probably are not under the influenc the next morning, but it is definatly in your system

1tokeovertheline

I am from Northern New York, about 15 miles from the Canadian Border. AY?

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Being a Union Electrician, 1toke just gave you a very good breakdown on how it works. Yes the stoners I work with are usually better workers and take pride in thier work, not all but the biggest majority of them. The ones that are hung over and still smell of beer and whixkey are the ones that will lay down on you.

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1tokeovertheline

I wondered if you would have some input on this from the Union point of view. I thought maybe it was just us scab (non-union) sparkys that smoked dope. Glad to hear we are keeping up to that standard

And on the 8th day God created electricians. (because He had made darkness and that wasn't always good. Because of the 7th day of rest, they had to work into the night to get the job done)

needgreen

our unions here have agree to d&a testing. mostly in order to keep the sites unionized. what a game. and no, its not just sparkys that like to hoot. I am a carpenter/scaffolder. i would guess the bigger portion of us and most union halls like to partake in a little 4-20.