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walfredo28 · 08-31-2006, 10:26 PM

I have a pre-employment drug test tuesday next week for an steamfitters apprenticeship program for a labor union in NYC. I am pretty sure its a DOT cause they sent a letter saying they are only testing for the 5 major drugs. I took a take home test for THC today an failed with flying colors. So thanks to all of the great reviews, I feel pretty confident about going the Quick Fix route (been practicing with temp and storage pretty regularly).
Pretty much my only question is has anyone here have taken one of these union drug tests before and were they observed or do I have nothing to worry about.
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated

Thanks,

walfredo

phlash2k1 · 08-31-2006, 11:03 PM

use someone else urine...only way to pass. Dont believe or rely on anything else. They only want your money.

walfredo28 · 08-31-2006, 11:16 PM

really...i already ordered and recieved my quick fixx. I dont really have any options for clean urine. I only heard good things about quick fix on these treads. This is the first negative thing ive heard. Thanks, now i am second guessing myself

Hawg · 09-01-2006, 01:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by walfredo28

really...i already ordered and recieved my quick fixx. I dont really have any options for clean urine. I only heard good things about quick fix on these treads. This is the first negative thing ive heard. Thanks, now i am second guessing myself

Relax and use the Quick Fix I just did [again] for a DOT test and was golden. Just practice the temp, really just follow the directions or read in the sticky for help. You will be fine. The only difference between the Quick Fix and real urine for a drug test is the cost.

walfredo28 · 09-01-2006, 02:32 AM

thanks hawg...by the way, was your test observed by any chance??

**Sec** · 09-01-2006, 02:53 PM

It is against regulation to observe a DOT regulated test unless you give them cause.
Cause
If the collector sees your sub,
You have adulterant materials in your pockets
You don't want to empty your pockets
Your urine is off color (blue or green)
You don't cooperate in any other way.
You are way late for your appointment (more than 15 minutes).
Your specimen is off temperature.
there are more, but that'll do for now.

You are regulated by the DOT because you are working on flammable or pressurized pipeline. Safety Sensitive position.

walfredo28 · 09-01-2006, 04:09 PM

thanks for the info Sec3. I feel more comfortable now using my quick fixx. Your informatioin is greatly appreciated.

1tokeovertheline · 09-02-2006, 12:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sec3

It is against regulation to observe a DOT regulated test unless you give them cause.
Cause
If the collector sees your sub,
You have adulterant materials in your pockets
You don't want to empty your pockets
Your urine is off color (blue or green)
You don't cooperate in any other way.
You are way late for your appointment (more than 15 minutes).
Your specimen is off temperature.
there are more, but that'll do for now.

You are regulated by the DOT because you are working on flammable or pressurized pipeline. Safety Sensitive position.

Serious question for you sec. So there is a big chance a DOT regulated test could be observed? You say there are more. Kind of like a cause for the cops to stop you. There are enough reason that they can find one if they want to. I would think you would want to watch your attitude with the collector if you don't want to be observed. True or False ?

lew scannon · 09-02-2006, 12:54 AM

Below is the actual guidelines of when and how a DOT collection under direct observation is made:

Quote:

Subpart E - Urine Specimen Collections

§ 40.67 When and how is a directly observed collection conducted?

(a) As an employer, you must direct an immediate collection under direct observation with no advance notice to the employee, if:

(1) The laboratory reported to the MRO that a specimen is invalid, and the MRO reported to you that there was not an adequate medical explanation for the result;

(2) The MRO reported to you that the original positive, adulterated, or substituted result had to be cancelled because the test of the split specimen could not be performed; or

(3) The laboratory reported to the MRO that the specimen was negative-dilute with a creatinine concentration greater than or equal to 2 mg/dL but less than or equal to 5 mg/dL, and the MRO reported the specimen to you as negative-dilute and that a second collection must take place under direct observation (see §40.197(b)(1)).

(b) As an employer, you may direct a collection under direct observation of an employee if the drug test is a return-to-duty test or a follow-up test.

(c) As a collector, you must immediately conduct a collection under direct observation if:

(1) You are directed by the DER to do so (see paragraphs (a) and (b) of this section); or

(2) You observed materials brought to the collection site or the employee's conduct clearly indicates an attempt to tamper with a specimen (see §§40.61(f)(5)(i) and 40.63(e)); or

(3) The temperature on the original specimen was out of range (see §40.65(b)(5)); or (4) The original specimen appeared to have been tampered with (see §40.65(c)(1)).

(d)(1) As the employer, you must explain to the employee the reason for a directly observed collection under paragraph (a) or (b) of this section.

(2) As the collector, you must explain to the employee the reason, if known, under this part for a directly observed collection under paragraphs (c)(1) through (3) of this section.

(e) As the collector, you must complete a new CCF for the directly observed collection.

(1) You must mark the “reason for test” block (Step 1) the same as for the first collection.

(2) You must check the “Observed, (Enter Remark)” box and enter the reason (see §40.67(b)) in the “Remarks” line (Step 2).

(f) In a case where two sets of specimens are being sent to the laboratory because of suspected tampering with the specimen at the collection site, enter on the “Remarks” line of the CCF (Step 2) for each specimen a notation to this effect (e.g., collection 1 of 2, or 2 of 2) and the specimen ID number of the other specimen.

(g) As the collector, you must ensure that the observer is the same gender as the employee. You must never permit an opposite gender person to act as the observer. The observer can be a different person from the collector and need not be a qualified collector.

(h) As the collector, if someone else is to observe the collection (e.g., in order to ensure a same gender observer), you must verbally instruct that person to follow procedures at paragraphs (i) and (j) of this section. If you, the collector, are the observer, you too must follow these procedures.

(i) As the observer, you must watch the employee urinate into the collection container. Specifically, you are to watch the urine go from the employee's body into the collection container.

(j) As the observer but not the collector, you must not take the collection container from the employee, but you must observe the specimen as the employee takes it to the collector.

(k) As the collector, when someone else has acted as the observer, you must include the observer's name in the “Remarks” line of the CCF (Step 2).

(l) As the employee, if you decline to allow a directly observed collection required or permitted under this section to occur, this is a refusal to test.

(m) As the collector, when you learn that a directly observed collection should have been collected but was not, you must inform the employer that it must direct the employee to have an immediate recollection under direct observation.
[65 FR 79526, Dec. 19, 2000, as amended at 66 FR 41950, Aug. 9, 2001; 68 FR 31626, May 28, 2003; 69 FR 64867, Nov.9, 2004]

To view all of the guidelines set by DOT, follow the link below. A must-read (and bookmark) for any individual facing a DOT drug test:

U.S. Department of Transportation/ Office of the Secretary of Transportation/ Office of Drug & Alcohol Policy & Compliance

Hope that helps a little

1tokeovertheline · 09-02-2006, 01:19 AM

That helped alot to answer the questions and thanks for the link. Thanks lew. Also a good link for the forum for future reference to posters asking questions about DOT testing.

08-31-2006, 10:26 PM	#1
walfredo28 New Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 7 Grams: 899.40 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	Question about DOT Testing and Quick Fix.. I have a pre-employment drug test tuesday next week for an steamfitters apprenticeship program for a labor union in NYC. I am pretty sure its a DOT cause they sent a letter saying they are only testing for the 5 major drugs. I took a take home test for THC today an failed with flying colors. So thanks to all of the great reviews, I feel pretty confident about going the Quick Fix route (been practicing with temp and storage pretty regularly). Pretty much my only question is has anyone here have taken one of these union drug tests before and were they observed or do I have nothing to worry about. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated Thanks, walfredo

09-01-2006, 02:53 PM	#6
Sec Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 6,377 Grams: 42,654.28 Groans: 16 Groaned at 30 Times in 25 Posts Thanks: 698 Thanked 1,574 Times in 972 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	It is against regulation to observe a DOT regulated test unless you give them cause. Cause If the collector sees your sub, You have adulterant materials in your pockets You don't want to empty your pockets Your urine is off color (blue or green) You don't cooperate in any other way. You are way late for your appointment (more than 15 minutes). Your specimen is off temperature. there are more, but that'll do for now. You are regulated by the DOT because you are working on flammable or pressurized pipeline. Safety Sensitive position. __________________ Guidelines. Search http://www.marijuana.com/drug-test/index

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phlash2k1 New Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 3 Grams: 796.65 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	use someone else urine...only way to pass. Dont believe or rely on anything else. They only want your money.

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walfredo28 New Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 7 Grams: 899.40 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	really...i already ordered and recieved my quick fixx. I dont really have any options for clean urine. I only heard good things about quick fix on these treads. This is the first negative thing ive heard. Thanks, now i am second guessing myself

09-01-2006, 02:32 AM	#5
walfredo28 New Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 7 Grams: 899.40 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	thanks hawg...by the way, was your test observed by any chance??

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walfredo28 New Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 7 Grams: 899.40 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	thanks for the info Sec3. I feel more comfortable now using my quick fixx. Your informatioin is greatly appreciated.

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1tokeovertheline Banned Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 6,963 Grams: 4,552.05 Groans: 21 Groaned at 2 Times in 2 Posts Thanks: 4,437 Thanked 2,274 Times in 681 Posts Stock Portfolio Total Value: 0.000 Gain/Loss: 0.000%	That helped alot to answer the questions and thanks for the link. Thanks lew. Also a good link for the forum for future reference to posters asking questions about DOT testing.

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