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jaypizzle

I have to take a pre employment drug screen to get this job. I took one about 90 days ago with quick fix and passed no problems (that was a temp job).

i didnt really read the forms last time just did my thing. the only part i DID notice is they checked for temp, there was a spot on the form for that.

this time around, i have the forms in hand. i noticed there is also a spot with a box labeled 'observed'.

i thought the deal was only military/government piss tests were observed, and civy was not? what is that box for? has anybody walked into a test and been observed if it was pre employment?

also, i have 2 facilities to choose from:

alltest international
or
parker universal laboratory services

if anyone has any insight that would be great.

i could rig it so i could pass observed, but not without making the temp very hard to maintain. thanks in advance.

 

1tokeovertheline

pre-employment isn't usually observed. I think the spot you are talking about will be left unchecked if not observed and checked if it is. They use generic forms.

jaypizzle

thanks, this post was more for piece of mind (for now) and to be informative (after i pass). Also thought i'd mention where i was going in case either place had a strict policy of observing. people would remember that!

Sec

If the collector sees substitution or adulteration materials, or the temperature is not correct, they can do another collection, only this time, observed. If the MRO from a previous test has ordered that due to a negative dilute result (creatinine level too low, specific gravity abnormal, etc...) that a second test be conducted and the collection be observed. If the drug test is a "return-to-duty" test, the collection must be observed. Some reasonable suspicion testing is observed.

That is what the box is for.

1toke is correct that if the test was not done as an observed test, the box is left blank.

If the box is checked, then the name of the observer and reason for the observation must be written in the remarks section of the CCF.

It is not the "place" that determines whether a void is observed but rather the circumstance.

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jaypizzle

ahh, that makes sense. i took it today and temp was fine, not observed.

i did notice this however: the bottle made a nice loud noise when i emptied the contents and the air rushed in at the end.

thanks for all the info guys.

 

sling

A little off topic, but relavent anyway. My test said "NIT" which someone said was a nitrate test to verify the validity of the sample. What are they checking for here? Is that the Creatinine levels?

lew scannon

Nitrites and creatinine are two different panels on the specimen integrity check.
Nitrites are found in some drop-in additives (depending on manufacturer) thats used to spike a urine sample. The human body can also produce nitrites naturally, though this is a sign of a urinary tract infection. Because of this, only small amounts of nitrites can be permitted in a urine sample.

Under current DHHS regulations, any sample with a nitrites level of 500 mcg/ml (micrograms per milliliter) and above, is ruled an adulterated sample.

Hope that helps some

FakeBoobsRule

To add to what Lew said, creatinine clearance is another way to check for dilution. Most tests look for a level above 20 for it to be considered valid. So both are validity tests but looking for different forms of adulteration.

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