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Bixby

Just got here , my question is similar to Ky Smoker, only a little different in that I gave my dr johns pee pee sample from urinator.com today and it was within 90 and 100 within 4 minutes, so no problem, right?

Wait, before you answer, this test was a radioimmunoassay, abuscreen type, and I was wondering if there was any problem with my product or the type of test. It was not an EMIT.

Anyone that has an encouraging word about whether the synthetics work with abuscreen please speak out, the company does not specifically guarantee their product works with abuscreen tests, and yes I too am a little nervous just like Ky Smoker. Thanks!

 

Bixby

Apologies for not following the guidelines for advice. Most of the requested info did not seem to apply, but here goes..

Ive been taking a few hits of different Dam strains on a daily basis for medical and psychological reasons during the past several years and am old enough to be mistaken for a fogey. Doing some jogging a few times a week. The job offer came unexpectedly and my only realistic alternatives came down to either the chemically formulated pp or the old school bio version (I got the mini transporter kit as backup). They wanted me right away. The offer was a one and only chance to get back to the top of my field.

Now for the update, today came and went, I think I passed as clean, but it may take until early next week until I know for sure. Asking can raise suspicions, unfortunately.

When I do get real confirmation of passing I will announce it here first to share the knowledge.

gotta say its looking good..

Sec

Start shopping for your work clothes....

Congratulations!

p.s.: I had a hard time understanding your statements with all the disguised language, but I think you said you used synthetic, right?

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Bixby

Sec3, Thank you for your encouraging words. Yes, I used the fake pee sold at urinator.com.

Still no clue about whether I passed, but according to what I read today, I would probably have already been frog-marched out of the place for submitting an invalid specimen based on out of range creatinine and specific gravity readings. Nothing has happened yet to even indicate any problem, so I guess that's good news.

I did some research and found a good link for test protocol.. it may prove useful to readers who are going to get one of these Federal Agency Workplace tests.

fix the link and its yours

//dwpdotsamhsa.guv/DrugTesting/Level_1_Pages/HHS%20MRO%20Manual%20(Effective%20November%201,%20 2004).aspx#ch3

Bixby

sec3--
Just an update to say still no word on my results, however they have a lengthy investigation process involving Homeland Security and the FBI going on and it could take two weeks or more to complete it all. (I signed all my rights away for a mess of pottage, lol)

In the meantime they gave me some real work to do. I'm having a ball and think the manager and group members will be on my side in case anyone comes back with questions to them about me because we've already bonded and now they've seen the quality of my work. I know the rules and what I will do and say if they label my sample as invalid.

I'm praying I have passed. Even if its inconclusive, I will have a fighting chance because I am making a plan to deal with that eventuality. That link posted above was a very helpful document and it was very empowering for my situation.

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More updates later. Keeping fingers crossed, each day is less likely to be a problem for me. Over and out.

PS - anyone who has used uncle johns pee pee from urinator dot com, or beat a military p test, any comment is welcomed. Thanks..

 

Sec

If you make it through tomorrow (Friday), I think you can celebrate your new job Saturday night (legal celebratory substances & get a cab, dont drive). You know the rule of thumb here:

Don't smoke until after your first paycheck.

Bixby

Well, folks, happy to report I made it through Friday. YAY! Not too much longer before I can really celebrate (safely, of course ).If anything is going to happen, it will be next Monday morning, when I have some training over where I took my test, and hopefully the investigations will be over (although someone else I work with, with pee as clean as a whistle, took 9 days to be cleared). But I figure if I'm right there where I took the test, and if they don't raise any red flags of suspicion on Monday, I should be home free as far as p tests go. (humble prayer, please keep me safe a little longer)

The policy here for invalid (e.g synthetic pee) results is anything up to complete dismissal without retest. I am hopefully in the clear since its been 4 days and a half since my test, and I know it was processed locally, almost the same day as I gave it. No reason for them to wait unless they were trying to catch me off guard, and I don't think they will do that, since the rules are very clear on the process and how it is to be conducted. But they keep it a big secret so you never really know and can't ask without raising suspicions.

I just keep going one day at a time and every day without any problem reported is good news and getting better.

Once I get through this I will sing the praises of my method and help others to succeed like I did.


If anyone has waited a week to find out they failed an initial p test, I'd like to know how often that happens. Thx.

Sec

FYI: Most positives take about 4-7 days to get through the lab. The GC/MS is what the hold up is. That takes at least 3 days, depending on which laboratory was used. Then the results must go to the MRO (Medical Review Officer), doctor, who reviews the test procedure and laboratory findings, then calls you to ask about any legal reason for a banned substance to be in your system or any other reason for a substituted or adulterated finding. Then the MRO calls the employer and reports his findings. All that takes time. The thing is, you SHOULD know before the employer if there is anything amiss with your specimen.

(BTW, most MRO's don't work weekends) I don't mean to crap on your parade, but Monday could be tragic. I doubt it, but weirder things have happened.

Just about every time.

Bixby

sec3,
I appreciate your honesty, and the fact that it takes a few days longer to confirm a specimen invalid. That thought DID cross my mind a few times.

My plans must still take any possibility into account, as you say.

I've got the freeze dried stuff and the frozen liquid. Problem is whether I can use the sub method because I may be observed if they allow a retest.

By next monday morning I will have 3 1/2 days dry, which may be long enough for dilution to work. Time to prepare, I suppose. Before last weekend it was three or 4 hits a day, for the last week only two hits/day. (kb quality)

I tried to click the dilution link thats posted in a lot of threads here but for some reason cannot access that page. Do you have to be logged in to get there?

Thanks for your help. BTW, I am 5'9 150, high metabolism, up until last weekend did daily intense exercise, none since then.

Bixby

OK, folks, based on all the possibilities, I am now going to the dilution method as I suspect that I will have to be observed if I retest.

Creatine, b-complex, q-carbo32 & testpure platinum drinks, lots of meat, eggs, fiber, mangosteen juice (really helps to poop a lot). I figure another test could be requested anytime next week, but probably not before mid day Monday at the earliest. I may be able to stall a few days before the retest which would also help things.

Also one more ingredient I found but no one here seems to be mentioning: papain (see link)

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It might be my silver bullet... from the Journal of Analytical Toxicology:

Anyone else know about this?? My contribution to the knowledge base..dated July 05

Abstract:
Papain is a cysteine protease with intrinsic ester hydrolysis capability. The primary metabolite of the psychoactive chemical in marijuana, 11-norcarboxy-Delta9-tetrahydrocannibinol (THC-COOH), was assayed by FPIA in concentrations ranging from 25 to 500 ng/mL, at pH values ranging from 4.5 to 8, over the course of 3 days with papain concentrations ranging from 0 to 10 mg/mL. FPIA analysis of other frequently abused drugs: amphetamines, barbiturates, benzodiazepines, cocaine, opiates, and phencyclidine, along with gas chromatography–mass spectrometry (GC–MS) of THC-COOH and high-pressure liquid chromatography–ultraviolet detection (HPLC–UV) of nordiazepam was performed in order to determine if the mechanism of urine adulteration by papain was analyte specific. Control and adulterated urine specimens (n = 30) were assayed for creatinine, specific gravity, and pH to determine if papain rendered the specimens invalid based on the proposed SAMHSA guidelines. There was a direct pH, temperature, and time-dependent correlate between the increase in papain concentration and the decrease in THC-COOH concentration from the untreated control groups (p < 0.01). The average 72-h THC-COOH concentration decrease at pH 6.2 with a papain concentration of 10 mg/mL was 50%. Papain did not significantly decrease the concentration of the other drugs analyzed with the exception of nordiazepam. GC–MS of THC-COOH and HPLC–UV of nordiazepam revealed a 66% and 24% decrease in concentration of the respective analyte with 10 mg/mL papain after 24 h at room temperature (~ 23°C). No adulterated specimens were rendered invalid based on the SAMHSA guidelines. Immediate FPIA analysis is suggested to minimize the interfering effects of papain with regards to primary drug screening.

I got a bottle of chewable papaya with 400,000 USP per pill, so based on the above abstract, it might bring me below the cutoff over and above the dilution techniques I am doing.

Any comments are welcome. OK, now back to my big fat free steak and milk! LOL

Thanks.