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jpbc99

Okay. This is weird. I have a heavy medical exam and a drug test on the same day. I have ten sections to complete, the last being the drug screen. Is this legal, in other words are they allowed to drag you through he hospital for the day and then test you?

I'm looking for DOT regs in Massachusetts. Anyone that knows about this stuff your info would help. It is not for a few days. I will have been clean for exactly 7 days and one night, but a heavy heavy user before that.

I am worried sick that my cocktails and water logging will be to no avail.

WILL URINE LUCK WORK ON A DOT DRUG SCREEN???

Are there any home adulterants I can use. My older brother dipped strands of his hair in his sample, 24 hr after a fatty, heavy use, and passed. Has anyone else heard of dipping hair in the pee for this?

A drop of bleach, with that work??? ANYTHING PLSSSS HELP!!!

I can't substitute either.

 

Darius927

Do a google search on 49 CFR Part 40. DOT is Department of Transportation and is federally regulated, so the same set of regs apply to all states. It's long, with multiple parts, but has lots of good info.

Bleach will foil the screen at least, but it will throw the pH out of normal range for the body. If they do a speciman validity test, you'll be screwed.

Urine Luck (QF) should work on a DOT test, but if you can't sub like you said, it shouldn't matter.

Don't know about the dipping hair into the test, but that sounds worthless to me. Never heard of it, but I guess that don't mean it wouldn't work.

Hope this helps ya.

jpbc99

Its so stupid. It says in the regs that they cannot make you wear a gown. The next sentence the pulls a 180 and says, unless your already there in a gown for a physical. Awsome. Thats fucking great. HEEEELLP! lol.

lew scannon

Yes, your employer can make you take a physical and a drug test on the same day.

The complete regulations, which covers all 50 states, can be found here: U.S. Department of Transportation/ Office of the Secretary of Transportation/ Office of Drug & Alcohol Policy & Compliance

If you were referring to the Urineluck additive, it will not work because the additive requires 60-90 ml of sample and DOT requires 45 ml. If the additive is added to less than 60 ml of sample, the sample will be flagged as adulterated, due to an abnormal pH.

On a DOT test, labs will be checking for adulterants. Not a good idea.

If you cannot sub, then why are you dabbling with thoughts of sneaking in bleach? If youre brave enough to sneak in some bleach, then you certainly are brave enough to sneak in a substituted sample.
Besides, a clean urine sample will work on a DOT test, unlike bleach, which also causes an abnormal pH.

jpbc99

How about the time they drug test me on the day of the physical. Can I go in and ask for the drug test early? The last thing I have to do there is the drug test as it appears on the list.

Another question about urine luck. What If I scale the amount for 45 ml ? Or what if I "over do it" and just happen to pee about 65 ml?

I am pressed for time, tomorrow is my last day to scramble, then its too late.

You seem pretty knowledgeable. Let me ask you this...will they keep me in a gown the whole time.

I have had DOT exams before and was only in a gown for the "physical" part. All other tests I was able to keep my cloths on. After the physical I have a pulmonary test, and chest X-ray then the drug test [good god I hope they don't search these sites as my case is getting less vague].

On the other hand, my last DOT test I can't remember being X-rayed [I assume I will be gowned for this too...although I may be wrong]. This fucking sucks, I might be walking around the hospital like a penguin with a vile of urine shoved up my ass.

 

Darius927

Crap, you're right lew, sorry for the confusing answer.

Urine Luck ADDITIVE can be detected becasue it has components not in normal human urine that they test for as part of the speciman validity test. Don't know about the size of the sample or the pH.

What I MEANT was Spectrum Labs URN LUCK Quick Fix 4.0 will fool a DOT test. It's synthetic urine, not a drop in additive.

Again, sorry for my unclear post.

lew scannon

Tell them you have a full bladder and you have to go NOW! Let them know that you rather have the sample cup now because you dont want the examiner to put his/her hands all over you with a full bladder. Wetting accidents can happen that way (wink wink).

Like I stated earlier, if the additive is added to less than 60 ml, the sample gets flagged for an abnormal pH.
As with the bleach, if you are brave enough to sneak in an additive, then youre brave enough to sneak in a substituted sample. It would be alot easier to pour a substituted sample in the cup than fumbling around with two additive vials in the bathroom stall (the UL additive comes in two vials which both have to be added to the sample).

jpbc99

How about visine ? Heard that can be added. If I can find clean pee I will, but I am pressed for time. So quick fix is out the window. It would take a clean friend at this point, and I only know one. :[[[


Well I answered my own question in a way, ten drops of visine will not fool a home test [first check].

I am also fully positive, not even a hint of a line and its been 7 days :/


Anyone witha DOT test and a physical get away with an elmers glue bottle to their thigh? I think at worst I will be down to my boxor shorts, so I am thinking of taping it to more of the back of my leg with a rubber tube for dispensing it. I think I might be all set. Only other worry would be heat...I will use a heating pad for that.

Anyway...I am seriously thinking of quitting pot now. I can't pass up 14.50 hr for a buzz.

Darius927

I think they can detect Visine now, that was a trick 5-10 years ago. It screws up the validity test, and prevents the sample from foaming (don't ask why that matters, just what I read). One of the stickys has some info on adulterants, Visine was one of them if I remember correctly.

You can always get QF overnighted to you if you have a day or two left, just gotta pay more, and get it from a site that has overnight delivery.

zonecode88

I am confused.
First you say:
Later, you write:
Can you substitute or can't you? I assume that your still figuring that out, but its kind of important for people trying to give suggestions. Personally I do not have DOT test experience, but I have substitution experience which could potentially help. I can tell you that instead of tape you want to use an ace-bandage. Also, you will be in the bathroom unobserved, right? Because if you think you can secure a bottle to your leg un-noticed, then what do you need the rubber hose for? Why not just unscrew the cap and dump it in the cup? If your test is observed, then either research Whizzinators or give up on subbing.