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3cardmonty

So I got popped at my job on Tuesday night. I had my synthetic on me but when I transferred it into the cup it didn't register above 90 degrees on the heat strip (it had said 94 before I poured it out). So they couldn't accept that sample and I had to give them the real thing. I've been smoking a one hitter pretty much every night for the last few months, so I'm pretty well screwed.

Since it's my first offense, I should be looking at a three day suspension and possibly counseling/rehab type classes. I might be able to talk my way out of the classes though, but I need to know a few things so they don't catch me lying.

First off, I passed a different random about a month ago using the synthetic (I don't think it showed up on the heat strip that time either, so I'm not sure why this recent one wasn't accepted), so that should work in my favor. But it's going to look strange to them to see one test come out totally clean, and then another with what are presumably going to be significantly high levels only a month later. So the story I've come up with is I ate a few brownies at a party without knowing they were pot brownies. My main questions are: will this account for my probable levels? Can they tell the difference between THC that was smoked and THC that was eaten in brownies? And how long would they be expecting those brownies to stay in my system if I supposedly never smoke otherwise?

The last one's especially pertinent because they may be testing me again pretty soon when I go in for my evaluation, and I probably wouldn't pass that one either. I'm not very active and I'm about 6'1" 220 lbs. so I think it's going to take a while before it's out of my system naturally. If they do test me again, that one won't count against me at work, other than to check my levels and to decide how much treatment I need, if any. I'm debating whether or not to try another substitution (using a hand warmer this time to ensure that it's warm enough--wish I'd known about that trick before). Would they compare that to my actual sample and be able to tell that they're different? Would it even make sense for me to give them a totally clean sample, or would they expect the brownies to still be in my system? Also, the synthetic I used successfully before was Agent X, but everyone on this site seems to like Quick Fix 4.0 the best. Should I switch or stick with the one that already worked? I'm pretty sure I won't be observed, but if I'm caught substituting I'll probably lose my job.

All right, I've probably gone on way too long and asked too many questions already. I'd really appreciate any input at all.

 

1tokeovertheline

If you tested hot this month and not last month it shows you have used marijuana in the last month. That is why some places random test.

It doesn't matter how you get THC in your system. Eating or smoking. THC is THC.

You are lucky to have a job. I would have been fired. We have a zero tolerance drug policy.

It's fairly obvious you subbed. They know what the temp is supposed to be.

Don't be surprised if you are observed on you next test.

Finally......good luck to you. I hope it all works out.

Sec

What 1toke said: You've already been caught substituting. What do you think the temperature strip is for? If you don't meet temp, it indicates the urine did not come from the body, hence: substituted.

I am surprised that your second collection (the one where you had to give your real pee) was not observed. Protocol states that if you give a specimen that does not meet the temperature requirements, the donor is required to give another specimen right away, under direct observation.

DOT requires that both specimens be sent to a lab as:
Specimen 1 of 2
and
specimen 2 of 2
The MRO (doctor) reviews both, and finds the chemical properties do not match and in fact are not even close. This is where you are busted for substitution.

Some employers (WalMart, for one) requires the first specimen (the one not meeting temp requirements) be discarded and an immediate recollection be done.

Any return-to-duty or follow-up testing required by your employer will very likely be observed now that they know for a fact that you are prone to substituting.

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3cardmonty

Actually, the collector immediately dumped out the first sample, and there's no record of it anywhere on the paperwork I got, so I don't think the lab will necessarily view me as prone to substituting. Unless they compare this last sample they got to the clean one I gave a month ago...

Sec

No, they won't compare from another void on another time.

Your collector did not note anywhere (in the remarks section) of the paperwork that this was a second void? Are you sure?

This is in your favor if correct, you aren't known as someone who brought in a sub specimen.

 

3cardmonty

I'm sure it's nowhere on my copy of the paperwork. That's why I think I may be able to get away with substituting on my next one. Will they compare the next one to the dirty one? If that one comes up clean, will that support my story about eating a few brownies without knowing they were pot brownies? Is that story even worth telling in the first place, will it correspond to the levels I'm going to have as a once-a-day user?

Somnium

No such thing as too many questions, that's what we're here for, and its always more fun to read about a unique situation verses 'omg I smoked a pound on probation and I'm being tested tomorrow what can I do'...not that I'm making light of your situation by saying its fun to read, more like fun require more brain work to process. Interesting! There's the right word.

Don't bother with lying, if they decide to verify it by sending your next human sample to a lab you'd get nailed right away, and since in your story that'd be the only time to ingested THC you should technically be clean as of your next test anyways.

This is tricky because your past says you're not a smoker so you can't really fess up, and if you want to keep this job you're probably going to have to deal with more attention devoted to you cause you flagged yourself unfortunately. =\ How important is this job to you verses keeping smoking? If you cleaned out you wouldn't have to worry about anything, but that's your own personal choice. What I'd do is take in some synthetic tucked away in your pants and dilute at the same time so either way you could produce a 'clean' sample if you did get observed. Check the stickies for information on those things. Oh, and quit smoking at least temporarily until this blows over to help your chances at dilution. If you start up again you know the risks and consequences but its your life. mmm I don't mean for that to sound all dire and condescending I swear. XP

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3cardmonty

Thank you to Somnium, sec3, and 1toke for your responses. Somnium, I take no offense that you find my situation interesting, I'm mostly glad I'm not boring or annoying people. I understand that I'm lucky to still have my job, and my questions definitely aren't as urgent as those of other people who have more on the line. But I'm looking at possibly a year of outpatient treatment, and if I can avoid it, obviously I'd like to. One of my coworkers who rarely smokes failed a test, told the truth (that it was a one time thing), and they gave him a year of classes. Another one regularly smokes, lied his ass off (said it was a one time thing), and didn't get any classes. So I guess it all comes down to how you come off in the evaluation. I've stopped smoking, and I'll continue to abstain at least until the eval, and probably longer. The job is definitely more important.

Somnium, I'm not sure what you mean here:

"Don't bother with lying, if they decide to verify it by sending your next human sample to a lab you'd get nailed right away, and since in your story that'd be the only time to ingested THC you should technically be clean as of your next test anyways."

Something about the wording is confusing me. Could you rephrase/elaborate? Are you saying they will compare the sample I give at the eval to the one that failed last week?

Mostly I need to know, if I had eaten a bunch of brownies and never smoked otherwise, would the levels in my system a few days later be comparable to the levels that I actually produced as a habitual smoker? Could I just say they were really strong brownies? And since they were supposedly so strong, would they still be in my system a couple weeks later or does THC only stick around that long in habitual smokers? If anyone has any further insights I'd really appreciate hearing them. Thanks in advance.