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Old 04-18-2007, 03:51 AM   #11
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skatingstoned13 man you come on here and give this person bad info and it could cost her the JOB that means she might not feed her family, pay her rent, or other things you might not know of..... a person that has smoked for years as she said "a long time" she would need up to 8 weeks or more to get clean..
you should have read all the posts before you said anything but you wanted to play a big shot and you could have MESSED up this persons life... this site is not a game....
I spend weeks reading here and all I would say to anyone here "is read this post on subbing or diluting ......."
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Old 04-18-2007, 04:07 AM   #12
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Skatingstoned13, when we are talking about "dilution" we mean "successful dilution". All that means is a person has drank enough of the right kind of fluid and eaten enough creatine to dilute their urine enough so the THC is not detected, but the specimen still passes the validity tests.

Your advice could cause "over dilution" which would result in either a recollect (maybe under observation) or being removed from consideration for the job.

That is the difference between "successful dilution" and "crappy advice from someone who doesn't want to put in the time to learn anything".

LindaD, a good rule of thumb when being given conflicting advice is:

1. Look at the post count of the people giving advice
2. Look at the number of people who agree with each other. Most bad advice won't have a single post reinforcing that advice while good advice will be repeated by many different people.
3. Look at the grammar.
4. Remember that what works for one person, won't always work for the next person. (beware of someone saying "this will work, it always works for me".
5. Remember there is no easy way out or instant "get clean quick" pill, method or solution.

The dilution method has been documented to work for most who post here. It is formulated to give your urine the substance it needs to pass any validity. Those who fail using a proper dilution, wouldn't have passed anyway because there was too much THC to be diluted. Those who abstain for at least a week or two are really good candidates for a successful dilution.
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Old 04-18-2007, 04:22 AM   #13
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Yea you're right, that was an asshole move that this guy messed things up. On the other hand, FakeBoobs did reply in opposition. Granted this might not be obvious to new users, but reputations of members do matter. For the most part, you're alot better off trusting a member with 758 posts and 120 thanks than trusting a member with 5 posts and zero thanks. Exceptions do occur, but rarely in my opinion.

My point is do not take a single person's word for anything, especially concerning drug tests. People trying to help all too often suggest useless or erroneous methods. Learn all you can, hearing all cases on a method, then decide for yourself what to do.

It's too bad that it was a "piss test today" situation, because it's usually too late by then to properly prepare.

But... one can't believe everything one reads... "Buyer/Reader/Watcher/Listener Beware!'
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Old 04-18-2007, 06:27 AM   #14
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Damn even I noticed this guy was a noob after studying this forum for only a few days, I noticed she has not replied, sad.
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Old 04-18-2007, 05:36 PM   #15
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its obvious she has a fast metabolism, by her weight, height, and that she already said she doesnt exercise often, its a given, and i didnt get to skate when i passed all my tests, its been winter here in indiana and ive been smoking and i know she should have tested before she went in, but given the fact that she hasnt smoked any pot within the past 21 days, she IS clean. with someone her size the range is anywhere between 15-20 days and then she flushed out with water and was HALF water in her urine, HALF the metabolites.
now for one other thing, with drinking plenty of fluids, its going to lower the creatinine levels of the sample and if they dont turn down the sample based on color alone or in your case you would have taken b vitamins im sure, and that will make it a neon yellow almost a green color, the lab will still come back with the results of DILUTION, meaning low creatinine levels, some places do consider this as a fail, or, trying to beat the test.
unless you have a few days to increase creatinine levels in your own body, you shouldnt flush the urine to almost all water, its just dumb, who wants to get denied from a job because they drank too much water, not me. she is going to pass, and im going to prove you that you dont have to piss every 30 minutes just to pass a test.-which also makes you very uncomfortable having to be seen squirming because your bladder is about to burst.
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Old 04-18-2007, 06:29 PM   #16
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its obvious she has a fast metabolism, by her weight, height,
It could be that her weight is based on her caloric intake, not her calories burned
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and that she already said she doesnt exercise often,
You must be seeing things because she never said that. She never said anything about exercise.
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its a given,
What is a given? You better be sure and not make assumptions when it comes to people's jobs.
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and i didnt get to skate when i passed all my tests, its been winter here in indiana and ive been smoking
Ok, it was cold.
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and i know she should have tested before she went in, but given the fact that she hasnt smoked any pot within the past 21 days, she IS clean.
Wrong again. There are plenty of people who will test positive after 21 days clean. Then you contradict yourself by saying she should test herself but she is clean. There are plenty of people I know that will not be clean in 21 days. I have seen plenty of posts on here from people that are not clean in 21 days. That right there shows you how horrible your advice is on the subject of drug testing.
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with someone her size the range is anywhere between 15-20 days and then she flushed out with water and was HALF water in her urine, HALF the metabolites.
Again, she didn't give a complete smoking history. Size is only one part of the equation.
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now for one other thing, with drinking plenty of fluids, its going to lower the creatinine levels of the sample and if they dont turn down the sample based on color alone or in your case you would have taken b vitamins im sure, and that will make it a neon yellow almost a green color, the lab will still come back with the results of DILUTION, meaning low creatinine levels, some places do consider this as a fail, or, trying to beat the test.
More horrible advice. A sample cannot fail based on color. That is wrong wrong wrong and there are at least 1000 posts dedicated to this subject. Also, what about specific gravity? Don't they use that to check for dilution too. What do you suggest to her to keep up her specific gravity.
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unless you have a few days to increase creatinine levels in your own body, you shouldnt flush the urine to almost all water, its just dumb, who wants to get denied from a job because they drank too much water, not me. she is going to pass, and im going to prove you that you dont have to piss every 30 minutes just to pass a test.-which also makes you very uncomfortable having to be seen squirming because your bladder is about to burst.
How are you going to prove it? BTW, the smart people don't even mess with dilution so they don't have to squirm. Notice how many people have disagreed with what you have told this woman and her drug test that her job depends on? Quit giving bad advice please.
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I dont work out much at all. I have been drinking lots of water.
Thank you for your reply, i do feel a little batter about the test
right here she sais that she doesnt work out(exercise) often
and thats it. im done with this site. ive learned the dilution method with vitamins and passing with creatinine levels after dilution with red meat, or creatine supplements, and she could have consumed salts of course to get up to specific gravity. but it wont matter, cause she passed. and i know she did. so wow. until the results come back. lets not fight. ban me from the site if she fails i dont give a shit cause she passed.
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Ok, well that was one thing right then, the exercise. Post all you want as long as you follow the rules but remember, when giving people info about drug testing, it better be right and not nearly completely wrong because a lot depends on drug testing.
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Skatingstoned13, I know you want to help, and you feel you really have good advice to give. The problem is this is not a game of who can be "more right". Any wrong advice given can have devastating consequences to the person who is asking for the advice.

Just being part right won't cut it. These are people's JOBS, CHILDREN, FREEDOM that literally are at stake. We try to give the best answer possible for each situation and no one method is best for everyone.

Even if you do know more about drug testing than your posts indicate (which I think is the case), it is very important to include a complete answer as opposed to leaving parts out or assuming that the person already knows. When giving advice, if you are unsure about something regarding the original poster, ask to clarify.

As I said before, no one answer fits every body. we have had people on here who have taken over 50 days to test negative. The longest documented here is 105 days and quite frequently people go more than 30 days before they can test negative, so 21 days is pushing the envelope for assuming someone will test negative.

We approach the advice we give with the thought that you are going to test POSITIVE until proven otherwise with a home test.
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