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hope07

Hi All,

Here's my situation. I haven't smoked since the first week of May - one time only then - , and pretty much smoked up for 3 weeks of April. Went in for a drug test 3rd week of June and tested positive for THC. I should mention that I am female, overweight, and *gasp* pregnant, which is screwing up my body chemistry and metabolism. I can't really do the dilution methods with the water overload, vitamins and aspirin, due to effects on the baby.

I am fortunate enough to be allowed to retest. I cannot afford to have another positive test - I will get kicked out of school and my future as I know it is over. Not to mention personal humiliation and major depression as a likely consequence of not passing. I frankly am shocked that I am still testing positive though it's been such a long time.

I pee at Quest Diagnostics and they forward the cup on to Florida Drug Testing. I've done some research re the company that is testing me. They are one of the only nationally accredited blah blah blah companies - so they know their sh*t. They run the GCMS and everything. So it's not like I have a lot of lead-way here. I've already argued with the medical review officer over the results of the first test, so I am sure I'm infamous there.

My question is this: Do I dare try to pull off synthetic urine? What is the best product to go with, knowing that this drug testing company is probably going to be going over my results with a fine-tooth comb? I discovered perfecturine.com. Are these guys legit?

What is the failure probability of using either synthetic or this perfecturine stuff with the GCMS? I can't afford to get "busted" again (like anyone else, I know). It's not small time - I'm messing with the big kids and am scared to death that anything I try to pull will end up with me getting caught.

Oh and BTW, I had a family member all lined up to pee for me, but they backed out. I know no one else that is clean. So this is not an option.

I'd appreciate any posts or advice. I'm trying to not stress or freak out, but it's really hard, I'm sure you all understand.

Thanks!

N2, you seem knowledgable of these things. Any advice?

 

29yeartoker

Unfortunately N2 hasn't been around in a while. I don't think you will have a problem with subbing, unless you are going to be supervised since you failed a test already if I read your post correctly. As far as what kind of synthetic urine to get, there are all different brands. The most common here is quick fix 4.0. Just do a google search and it will come up. Make sure you practice and get the temp between 90 - 100. Good luck!

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whizzkid06

If its not supervised, then you are golden. Buy the synthetic urine (whizzinator.com), make sure to keep it at temp with like a sports heating pack. The synthetic urine has everything the real stuff has, except for DNA.

zonecode88

Well, I suggest a two-pronged approach. Buy a home test kit, either online or at your local pharmacy chain. Test yourself with the home kit the day of your test, with your first void of the day. If you pass it, you are "very likely" to pass your real test. (I'm aware you said GC/MS, but these tests are multi-tiered, where samples that pass the first stage do not even make it to the GC/MS part.)

In the meantime, you should also go ahead and purchase the synthetic urine; use it if you fail the home test or if you somehow gain knowledge that you will not be observed. You must practice subbing until perfect to be ready for the real thing, in case you have to go that route.

I have never tried anything except Quick Fix 4.0, which works beautifully, but I heared that other brands work as well.

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My (and anyone's) advice is only suggestion and opinion. This decision is your decision and ultimate responsibility. Myself once being where you are now, I say... good luck.

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hope07

Thanks for the responses so far. I welcome more advice for my plight!

No, the test will not be supervised. I've got the agency requesting testing in the first place on my side and they are sympathetic that I'm having problems in the first place. And I don't think Quest can arbitrarily choose to supervise me on their own accord. But I could be wrong.

I've been reading that they test for IgG component in the urine - I would not put it past that Florida company to do that - they seem to be exceptionally thorough (grr). I know Dr. John's has it, but what about the famous Quick Fix everyone talks about? And why not use the real human urine they sell on sites like ureasamples.com.

I'll probably try testing at home - though if I popped up positive 2 weeks ago after almost two months of abstinence, I'm thinking that it doesn't look so good for me to submit my own sample. I'm one of those slow metabolism types - I'm sure I'll carry around the THC for several months, ha.

 

29yeartoker

2 weeks can make a difference. Like you said, home test to see if your clean before you invest in anything. I'm sure that the quick fix will work as well as Dr. John's, but it doesn't matter which one you use. I have heard success stories with both.


Edit: I didn't see when you are having to retest, when is it?

Sec

Well, there are no "nationally accredited" companies. They can advertise that, because they paid money to an organization that sent them a certificate saying they are "nationally accredited".

There are a lot of labs (at least 40 that I am aware of) that are Department of Health and Human Services Certified. This means they have been through and passed a very thorough testing and screening process using inspections, blind tests, and all sorts of trials.

I have never heard of the lab in Florida, but that doesn't mean they aren't DHHS certified. It just means they aren't National or as large as some of the "biggies" (LabCorp, MedTox, Kroll, CRL, ATN, Quest, etc.)

Each and every donor who is called by a MRO argues about his/her results. Do you really think you are the only one? I have also had pregnant donors found to be positive, so I really don't think you are all that memorable to the MRO office or the TPA facilitating the test.

No test is EVER supervised. It is presumed that anyone listening to the instructions can then pee in a cup without supervision. Tests are sometimes OBSERVED, and your next test very well might be observed given that you already failed one test.

Labs cannot and do not test on a whim for anything and everything they can. If the employer doesn't request a specific test (such as for IgG), the lab won't test for it. All this costs money and if the employer doesn't agree to the test and to pay for it, the lab won't do it.

If you don't want to be then maybe you ought to set priorities and smoking pot should not be so high on the list if it will mess up all the other things on your list.

A drug test is important to everyone and everyone feels that they All that being said, after 6 weeks of abstinance you should be able to test negative on your own. Get some home tests and see if you can pass using your morning urine. IF you pass that, great (as zonecode88 said). If not, then you should look to subbing. Why invite trouble? Test yourself and see where you are at first and foremost.

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hope07

Thanks for the replies.

I don't have a specific date to retest though it has to be in the next week and a half - I can't really stall any longer than that. Nor do I want to pay tuition for a class that I may not be allowed to stay in. I really just want to get it over and see what the fates have in store for me.

Here's the link to the company that is testing me ... http://www.floridadrugscreening.com
And this is what they say about substitution:
"Substitution occurs when the donor switches his or her own urine sample for a drug-free specimen at some time during the collection process. Sometimes the donor may submit something other than urine. Test results are reported as "substituted" when samples do not contain certain chemical components characteristic of normal human urine. All samples are screened for parameters that indicate samples that are not human urine."

I'd guess these guys look for the IgG thing. I'm not going to risk it either way. They also have a policy on dilution, but it looks like all the other stuff out there.

Another question I have is this... will a home drug test be as accurate as whatever this company sends the sample through? I mean, the parameters are likely very different. So I may test negative at home with one parameter (i.e. the 50ng) and then there I fail (at the 15 ng). Does anyone know how to tell for sure?

sec3 - well I guess I mean that I submit a sample to Quest who forwards it on to this company in Florida. And by big time I mean that it's not simply sticking a dipstick in the urine - they run it through their machines - that's why they were absolutely positive they my test was not a false-positive (or so they had said). Oh, and I have quit smoking, I was only smoking while on vacation in April and the one time in May, again on vacation. Didn't smoke before, and not after. Especially after I found out I was pregnant.
Oh and when I said supervised I meant observed. The school isn't going to request an observed test, so can Quest just choose to anyways?

FakeBoobsRule

Scare tactics. Some of those parameters include creatinine clearance, pH, specific gravity and temperature. A successful sub with synthetic or a clean non dilute donor will pass all these.

There is a lot of threads on how immunoassay and GC/MS work. Search and you will see how they work. It was a repeated asked question during the month of June so look back at some of those threads or search using those terms.

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Sec

The parameters they are talking about are specific gravity, creatinine, pH, nitrates, not IgG.

No they won't observe "just because they can". If the situation does not warrent an observed test, you won't have an observed test. IF the employer does not order an observed test, then you won't have an observed test.

All labs "run it through their machines". Your specimen will be tested at Quest Diagnostics. The results of that test will be forwarded to this "Florida company". This big, bad, Florida company is nothing more than a Third party Administrator. In other words, they provide laboratory services and MRO services to employers. They provide a place for breath alcohol testing, urine collection services, policy writing, consortium services (run random pools for employers) etc...

They are NOT a laboratory. They do the same thing as my company does. Most employers do not want to open an account at a lab, open a second account for the MRO and a third account for the consortium manager and maybe another account for any collection or alcohol testing services. Instead of paying all those bills to all those different places, the employer chooses to pay only one invoice to this Florida company and let them work out all the details with the lab, MRO, provide collection services, reporting, etc...

What they are bragging about is that they use all those fancy machines that have you so intimidated through Quest Diagnostics. They do provide those services by sending the urine specimens to Quest. That's it.

You aren't getting a test that is any more "special" than the average WalMart or Target employee. Your home tests are every bit as accurate as the Quest screening test. You are so worried and have yourself so worked up that you are reading way too much into this website. For instance, that DATIA Certification is bought for $195 for a small company, $500 for a large company and $5000 for a Corporate sponsorship. If I sent them the money, they would send me a certificate that looks exactly like the one they have so proudly displayed on their website.

They also collect urine specimens to send to LabCorp as well as Quest. Big deal, I collect and send to at least 7 different laboratories and also collect for WalMart along with two of the largest retailers in the country, two different major airlines manufacturers, and many, many more other national corporations. You think that is a big deal, well, there are probably 5-6 thousand other places in the US that are just like mine. It appears that my company may be larger than this Florida company, just by the way this person has formatted his website. No respectable collection facility would drop names like he has done. All the good facilities are listed as collection sites by all the labs & National TPA's and don't need to "name drop" on their websites.

I think you have worked yourself up for nothing. You are getting a Plain Jane Quest test.