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Conine

I don't see what you're driving at. Are you suggesting that I can't think in military terms even though I was in? It's not like I was a weekend warrior.

Shrug, people voluntarily accept employment all the time. Whether or not I sign a contract and swear to an oath to join the US Marines or to join the ranks of the cashiers at Walmart has nothing to do with the discussion of whether or not a military member should be randomly drug tested.

I think the point of this thread is to discern whether military should be randomly drug tested, not whether it's right to use while you're in. I don't like the invasion of random drug testing period, so why would I accept it for the military just because they had to sign a contract and swear to an oath? I think it shows a lack of trust and makes for poor unit cohesion.

For the record, I don't mind drug testing where it's warranted... in the military... because of that 24/7 factor. If you have a reasonable suspicion that someone has a problem, by all means check them out. There needs to be an avenue to deal with the potential problems.

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SmokedupSouth

Im 100% for drug testing in the military.
Quite simply because the US Armed Forces is a volunteer army; if you can't deal with some part of their rules or regulations, don't volunteer. It's that simple. If you can handle not violating any of their rules, then volunteer. My basis comes not from the particulars of what your drug is, what order you break, etc. The way I see it, if the army is supposed to be effective at what it does, then certain orders must be followed or else the whole military is pointless. And who wants an ineffective military defending them? I don't.

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Bongzilla

I knew someone would point this out from my post

The truth is, someone in the military has more responsibility than your average Joe - during war, training, or otherwise.

But I also think that when MJ is legalized it should be illegal to drive, fly, work in an office (depends), and be in the military while actively stoned.

Yeah, I love MJ and think it is safe... but like everything, under certain conditions. I've been so high I feel like I can't see, can't move, etc., and there is no way I would put myself or others at risk by driving or anything like that, and I would expect others to do the same.

Enjoy MJ responsibly

Conine

So your point is basically I'm 100% for drug testing because the military wants it? So if the military said tomorrow that they were doing away with drug testing, you'd be OK with that? Since it wouldn't be in any of the rules?

Bongwater19

i am against any mandatory drug testing. all citizens are innocent until proven guilty and have the right to privacy of person and effects. these cannot be searchedwithout a warrant based on probable cause.

there is never probable cause could justify mandatory drug testing across the board of any institution or group.

obviously serious drug offenses should still be punished by whatever laws are applicable and appropriate. 'operating heavy machinery while intoxicated'. perhaps negligence of some kind. but that is after the fact.

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SmokedupSouth

Well, yea, if they said, no testing, Id be ok with it. Rules are rules and a military functions off of a unified body of soldiers acting as one to accomplish a common goal. They achieve this through regulations and orders.

MJane

I say do away with the hypocrisy...If the military "turns a blind eye" to sailors who drink, they should the same to those who smoke weed.
Anyhow, it's much easier to clear your head on weed than it is on alcohol, and I'd be more apt to put my faith in a person who's high than one who's drunk, for the sheer fact that it's much easier to snap out of a high than a drunken stupor.
If they're going to ban weed, they should do the same for alcohol. To do otherwise makes little sense.

Niteshift

"all citizens are innocent until proven guilty and have the right to privacy of person and effects. these cannot be searchedwithout a warrant based on probable cause. "

NOT IN THE MILITARY.

The laws do NOT apply to military members in the same manner When will you understand that? Members do not have the same freedom of speech or assembly. They don't have the same rights regarding search and seizure in most cases.

"I say do away with the hypocrisy...If the military "turns a blind eye" to sailors who drink, they should the same to those who smoke weed."

It's not hypocritical. The military routinely punishes members who use alcohol when they are under the legal age. Why? Because they're breaking the law. Well.......ANYONE in the military using pot is breaking the law. Where is the difference?

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Heathen

I think you SHOULD be able to smoke when off duty, however, Niteshift is right. While it is illegal, the military must punish drug users. They must route out the illegalities with whatevere means necassery. I dissagree, but it is illegal. You can't turn a blind eye where discipline is at it's highest.
When it is legal, you should be allowed to use MJ so long as it is used off duty.

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ThaNarc

"there is never probable cause could justify mandatory drug testing across the board of any institution or group."

Yet a large majority of student atheletes are required to submit to random drug testing. It's the same thing, you choose to voluntarily participate in these orginazations, so you are subject to abide by their rules. Drug testing included.

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