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Old 11-29-2007, 06:58 PM   #11
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Yep. Go a few times before your test and you will be fine. Don't make the mistake of drinking too much water and run the risk of giving a diluted sample.
Do you think I will be OK even if the cut off levels are 40/10 and not 50/15.


It says: "uses Syva EMIT, the most widely used and scientifically documented drug diagnostic technology available"


??? Sounds like more powerful than regular home test...
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Old 11-29-2007, 11:05 PM   #12
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'It also says "cut off levels are high enough to make sure that second-hand smokers don't test positive"

They are using EMIT I and not II (I think). Do you think its most likely 50/15?

"uses the cutoff levels established by Syva EMIT because they have been shown over the last 20 years to reliably separate drug users from nonusers. It is possible to have a trace amount of drug in the specimen and not "test positive" because the cutoff levels are designed to pinpoint drug abusers and not, for instance, second hand inhalation. All positive tests are re-piped and rerun for accuracy. Results are usually returned to the donor within 24 hours of receipt of the sample."

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Old 11-30-2007, 09:05 PM   #13
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YES, within a week. But why is the line a bit faded comparing to others?

But this was without dilution. Almost morning dirty urine. So, I am OK most likely eh?
What other lines, the control or was it a multipanel (multidrug) test? Those control lines are always very dark and even if you never smoked in your life more than likely the line wouldn't be as dark as the control. Comparing it to other panels, well yeah what do you expect? You've been smoking weed and the tests are not zero tolerance tests. Most home tests are using immunoassay technology with a 50 ng/ml cutoff level. The line means you are at 49.999 or lower all the way to zero, not that you are at zero. If you can photocopy it or photgraph it, it's a line.

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Do you think I will be OK even if the cut off levels are 40/10 and not 50/15.

It says: "uses Syva EMIT, the most widely used and scientifically documented drug diagnostic technology available"

??? Sounds like more powerful than regular home test...
As mentioned earlier, instant test use immunoassay technology and EMIT is a form of immunoassay. To say a lab run EMIT is more powerful than a home test wouldn't be an accurate statement. Home tests are quite accurate in fact if stored properly and used with date (probably above 95-97% accuracy). Every once in a while someone will pass a home test but fail the real thing. Anything is possible if you do drugs and get drug tested. But it is a better measure of your chances than just blind guessing. I've never seen a 40/10 cutoff/confirmation but I have seen 20/10. It is rarely used.

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'It also says "cut off levels are high enough to make sure that second-hand smokers don't test positive"

They are using EMIT I and not II (I think). Do you think its most likely 50/15?

"uses the cutoff levels established by Syva EMIT because they have been shown over the last 20 years to reliably separate drug users from nonusers. It is possible to have a trace amount of drug in the specimen and not "test positive" because the cutoff levels are designed to pinpoint drug abusers and not, for instance, second hand inhalation. All positive tests are re-piped and rerun for accuracy. Results are usually returned to the donor within 24 hours of receipt of the sample."
Are they still using first generation EMIT? It seems like everyone would be using the newest form of EMIT these days. See there is one reason why they use a cutoff of 50 and not a cutoff of zero.

Although it doesn't look like you have to dilute, just to let yo know the best way is like Sec said, follow the sticky. It's called dilution and not how to produce a negative dilute sample or how to make the most amount of water in your urine. Usually 5 grams of creatine a day is a good supplement for preventing a dilute creatinine clearance. If you take too much creatine, your body will tell you with some loose stools.

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Old 11-30-2007, 10:57 PM   #14
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Thank you for that answer Fakeboobs. I had always wondered what would happen if you take more than 5mgs (after loading period). Would the UA know if there's an excess amount (say if you took 15-10mgs/day)? Or would your body dump it in your bowels...resulting in the loose stools? Finally, would a large creatine supplement take its toll on your liver or whatever is going to process it? Great support on this board.
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Thank you for that answer Fakeboobs. I had always wondered what would happen if you take more than 5mgs (after loading period). Would the UA know if there's an excess amount (say if you took 15-10mgs/day)? Or would your body dump it in your bowels...resulting in the loose stools? Finally, would a large creatine supplement take its toll on your liver or whatever is going to process it? Great support on this board.
Just one slight correction, it's grams not milligrams. There is no upper limit on the creatinine clearance range either so they can't tell or aren't looking for taking too much creatine. Research suggests long term use of high level of creatine may stress the kidneys.
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Old 12-01-2007, 01:56 AM   #16
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So all you need is high level of creatine and B vitamin color and the rest can be H2O and its not going to diluted?
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So all you need is high level of creatine and B vitamin color and the rest can be H2O and its not going to diluted?
Gatorade and salt helps with the PH im pretty sure. You need aspirin too
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Old 12-01-2007, 03:53 PM   #18
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Gatorade and salt helps with the PH im pretty sure. You need aspirin too
Aspirin is for fooling the EMIT system and lowering THC that that system finds, but I don't think it has anything to do with testing for dilution.
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