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spreadhead

This site has been a great help. Here is where i am. Stopped smoking 10-1-07. bought testing strips in like 10 days tested good at 50 ng/ml. for a fat guy i was surprised, i have been offered a position with DOD contractor. I was a heroine addict many years ago. the result of iv drug use was a staph infection that paralyzed me. i am a true miracle and walked again against all docs saying that would not happen. ii lost 3 vertebrae that were replaced by cadaver vertebrae.
i go to a pain mgmt doctor and get a valid prescript for methadone for pain and valium for uncontrollable spasms...my choices for pain were a morphine pump or oxycotton. settled on methadone because of experience with it and minimal side effects.
it took 3 years to learn to walk again. my first job back i had a 5 panel test so i bought the whizzanator and it and its synthetic freeze dried urine worked like a charm at LabCorp. tomorrow i will get the paper work to got to quest. before i found out the present day testing procedures i had my pain mgmt doc write a letter stating he was treating me for a spinal cord injury and that the medication did not impair me. thi let
ter as well as bring my prescripts are useless because the MRO will call to verify my test....herein lies my concerns.
1) Should I substitute. pros - eliminates all questions concerns from MRO
cons - cheating on a violation of my personal rights.
2) Should I use the whizzanator with their synthetic urine?
pros - easy to use and worked before. temp seems to be 98
cons - 2 years old bag could bust or something crazy could happen in testing urine. temp could f-up and a observed would be out the window.
3) Should I use 2 bottles of Quick Fix 4.0 in a samwich under taint.
pros- not as bulky as whizzanator. would be pretty easy to just pour out. if temp was not right could get away with being observed on 2nd test
cons - in practice i am putting heating pad between two bottles. the temp is getting to 94 to 96. actually 94 on 1 bottle 96 on other....should i use 2 heating pads? people with experience with the QR sandwich please advise

 

Darque Pervert

1) Read the substitution sticky at the top of this forum. Pros & cons are all over the forum.

2) If you want to spend the money and pack a dildo in your pants, go for it.

3) One bottle of QF is enough for a sample. Your taint isn't going to provide enough heat to bring hte QF up to temperature. It can maintain temperature for a short time, but you'll need some heat source to bring it up to required temperature before stuffing it in your crotch.

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Sec

They are NOT useless. The note from your doctor is exactly what is required. MRO's are not looking for ALL DRUGS, only the ILLEGAL DRUGS. IF you are taking a valid prescription and have been taking that prescription medication according to the prescribed dosages, you will be fine. There is absolutely no reason you should sub. Your marijuana use was halted in enough time to allow you to test negative for that, so you have nothing else to worry about

...unless you are taking your prescription medication against specific written instruction or taking another off topic recreational drug...

As an employee working within the DOD, you are subject to random testing. What if they find your prescription medication during one of those random tests and your doctor says he has been treating you for X number of years. They look back and the script didn't show on any other test. Explain that one. Better to go with the facts now than try to cover your tracks later.

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FakeBoobsRule

Sec, I got the impression that spreadhead wants to take the scripts and the letter with him to the collection center. Is this necessary or shouldn't he just keep everything at home and wait for the call from the MRO and give him information over the phone or fax at that point when he gets the call? Besides, methadone can be used for pain control. It isn't always used as something to treat opioid addiction.

Actually, you would be surprised at how much heat the body gives off. If done properly, placing a bottle at room temperature on or around the taint (as well as most other parts of your body) will come up to body temperature in about an hour. If done properly, the goal of securing the bottle to your body is not to maintain temperature for a short time but rather indefinitely without being noticed. I have kept a bottle on my body that started off semi-frozen, was up to temperature in a little over an hours, and stayed at 96 for well over 8 hours and I didn't have to use my taint either.. That is why practicing is so important. It isn't to learn to maintain the temperature for a short period of time but an extended period of time. If you are using body heat alone the temperature can never be too high and if you practice you can learn how to maintain the proper temperature for as long as needed. The goal is not to slow down temperature loss but to maintain it no matter how long it takes you to get to the collection site or how long it takes you to wait in the waiting room. I've had to wait for over an hour in the waiting room before and do you know how stressful that would be if my body was only slowing down the temperature drop and not maintaing the proper temperature? But I don't have to worry about that so I will sit comfortably in the waiting area reading magazines that are 2 years old. You even hear about how people have to get tested on the day of their orientation and you can make it through that too with practice. Remember, the basal metabolic rate for the average person is around 2500 calories. One calorie is enough energy to raise a kilogram of water 1 degree celsius. Water doesn't heat or cool that easily either. Althought the conversion from nutrional calories to energy calories is not exact, 2500 nutritional calories is a lot of heat.

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spreadhead

Much appreciation again FBR and thanks DP and Sec
i was paralyzed from a bacteria infection to my spine that may or may not have come from my drug use. i also had received a shot at the hospital and cut my hand in the same time period.I had a staph infection which is all over the skin. my choices for pain relief were oxycot, morp. pump or methadone. how ironic. i chose the latter and have not revisited the iv seen since. it has been over 5 years not using. i do enjoy my green and am a avid grower.
i got my employment packet today and am going to take the test tomorrow. i am leaning to subbing with the Quick Fix. DP is right the whizzanator is like a big ol'dildo in my pants. 2 bottles of QF in the taint is much more comfortable with 2 pairs of boxer briefs than the dildo. Worried about dropping cap is all
i maintained 92 in the taint. with the hand warmer it got one bottle to 94 and the other to 96.Quick Fix sandwich
Sec in my packet it explained very clearly that i would only be tested if i was suspect, nothing about randoms...i could not believe all the documents about drug use, but nothing said anything about randoms. i do not work for DOD directly but for a big company that builds stuff for them.
i have fought with this over and over. when i learned to walk again my first job back i subbed. i am comfortable with it on one hand. on the other han i stopped green for this test.a herb i truly love that has helped me not have to take 12 pills a day to control my body,
i do not want to deal with a MRO not knowing how to practice what to say or what will be asked.
short side note. my folks work directly for this company. i will be working with a contractor. dad retired after 45 years mom has been there for 20 plus. in 1990 dad got me a interview right out of college, in college i was a pot head...was quit for 79 days went on interview after they took me to lunch drank lots of tea after lunch had physical and ua. i was proud when i gave them the cup...went home and celebrated with a saved bud i was called 2 days later to take another ua cause specific gravity not high enough..panicked put it off 3 days went and took test and then went and had own test done. i got a call saying they were withdrawing the offer for they were going into a hiring freeze. my dad was told i did not pass ua. my private test was negative. it has deeply affected me after all these years. no real internet with these type of forums in 90 that i knew of.
I RESPECT YOUR OPINION I AM LEANING TOWARD SUBBING UNLESS YOU GUYS SAY OTHERWISE...PLEASE HELP

 

zonecode88

Sec's advice is wise...

You passed a home test almost 2 months ago, in your words, "Stopped smoking 10-1-07. bought testing strips in like 10 days tested good..." Thus, your piss is definitely clean without a doubt.

In addition, as Sec earlier stated, unless you are taking illegal drugs, a prescription drug for which you do not posses a prescription, or you are not using your prescription in accordance with its directions, then you have nothing to worry about.

You should get the letter from your doctor, be honest about your prescriptions, and use your own piss. Unless you have something to hide, you are fine. Bear in mind, since you have legit prescriptions, the MRO will simply report to your employer that you tested negative.

Another point, just because a company doesn't list random drug testing in their employment policy, doesn't mean it won't happen. Stranger things have happened.

Do you think you can work full time with people without them (eventually) discovering a health issue such as you describe? It doesn't sound too likely to me. And just because you have to tell people you have a back problem, doesn't mean they have to know what the exact cause for it was... that includes the employer.

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spreadhead

thanks zone code 88. i have been reading this since i made my last post:
Drug and Alcohol Test Q&A
Re: Sample MRO contract
Re: Cortisol test to identify substituted specimen
this gives you thr MRO's side of things
the last link talks about finding subbed samples.
if my home test is good in the moring with the test line as clear as the control i will not sub, but what is it going to hurt if i do sub. it worked before and as long as the sample is closed up with a ok from the collector i should be ok...please advise

zonecode88

Although I don't believe it is necessary to substitute in your situation, if you did you would pass (obviously). If you know your test is unobserved, forget the whizzinator and taint it. It sounds like you practiced, so take 1 bottle in for your test if you really think you need to substitute.

spreadhead

got up took test with first pee of the morning and the thc line was not as dark as it has been in past. i have taken a multi vitamin, the aspirin. heated 2 bottles of quick fix and am on my way to the lab. i got my scripts and letter, but, will not decide until i am there. thanks for all the help. i will keep you posted
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